quote:Originally posted by Lu (Just a little ramble after watching Mtv for an hour, only to see one 'rock' music video, the rest being the ever-popular 'pop')
MTV shows more niggers than BET nowadays. rap rap rap everything is rap, everyones gotta be black. how the hell they get away with calling themselves 'Music' Television i have no clue. I remember the good old days when you could actually see *gasp* music videos on MTV.
I believe as any band gets put on the radio they get popular and if they are popular this makes them bad? I think not. TOOL for instance started to get big when they put songs on the radio so essentially they were made popular by the radio scene but I know people who love TOOL and despise Britney Spears & Co. There are very few bands that are heard of by a lot of people and still remain Non-Commercial, for instance Twista, is a non-comercial Chicago Rap group, who refuses to go on the air for that simple reason, now they are however featured in other peoples songs so this I'm sure is how they became known. I don't discriminate against an artist on they way they look or the fact that their music isn't written by them or they are in it for the money only, I listen to a band or artist and if I like the music they make I'll buy the album my collection includes everthing from country to pop to rap to hardcore rock, etc. I am a very open minded person so I'll give just about any band a chance.
Oh geez, the "pop is popular" definition of the music. Music such as NSYNC kinda needs some form of classification and I think pop more or less means "popular because of a hit-making formula used in the songs." Is Tool THAT popular? I ask you to go look at their album sales in comparison to so many artists currently out there and trust me, the numbers aren't even close to the top pop acts out there.
Your whole "I dress like an office drone and act respectable and then sit on forum where we discuss urethra fucking and public torture" bit still creeps me out. I bet it would creep out your co-workers even more.
I'm sorry I'm still not seeing TOOL as a pop band/group. Despite MTV and radio play. And as far as the Metallica toys Metallica just needed a way to compensate for the money they lost to Napster. The only way I'd buy a figure was if it was the James Hetfield that burst into flames. Now that would be a great toy.
There has to be a "pop" music. Most parents don't want their little kids listening to the likes of TOOL or Metalica. The fast beats and good looking people are what draw the kids in. Parents are happy because they're kids aren't listening to music that is all about sex, drugs and violence. That's why Brittney's boobs and Christina's belly button (or whatever it was) is such a big deal. Because Parents want their kids listening to this music, but no parent wants their daughter to dress like a slut. Without "pop" music, parents wouldn't know what to want their kids to listen to.
venus: name ONE song from any pop band that is NOT about sex, and i'll give you a cookie.
the reason parents don't like their kids listening to stuff like tool is because they have this foolish belief that they can shield their children from the truth of the world forever. it's not about drugs, sex, or violence. adults know that the world is a shitty place, and for some reason, we're supposed to pretend that it's not around our kids.
Okay, I might be repeating but I'm lazy and just skimming over everything.
I always saw pop as musicians whose purpose was to please the general public. They aim to get as much money as possible and nothing else. If their audience's attention is waining, they get their breasts done or make some more bubble gum with their faces printed all over it. It's about getting to the top of the charts and not about what it took to get there. They're attention whores. They want to be loved and worshipped everywhere.
If you've ever seen Tool in concert you'd notice Maynard doesn't even come to the front of the stage. He rarely faces the audience. He just hides in the shadows and does what he does best: sing. He's interested in the music. He's the kind of guy that if you shouted "I love you Maynard!" he'd tell you to be quiet. The only words he said to us in a was at the end when he thanked us with a very calm voice for coming and hoped that this inspired us to do great things on our own. None of that "ARE YOU READY TO ROCK'N'ROLL, NEW ORLEANS?!?" crap. How is that a pop band?
Think of all the musicians you've heard over the years. The ones your parents listened to. Were The Doors pop? Janis Joplin? Obviously they're popular. After all these years people still listen to them. That must make them pop. Can't you just picture gals with go-go boots and too much makeup dancing around to it on mainstream television? Please.
Some people are well known because they are great musicians, others because they have great managers. It's up to you to decide who's real.