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Some more cock in 99% of your asses: http://rt.com/usa/news/obama-presid...unications-770/


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President Obama adds that it is necessary for the government to be able to reach anyone in the country during situations it considers critical, writing, “Such communications must be possible under all circumstances to ensure national security, effectively manage emergencies and improve national resilience.” Later the president explains that such could be done by establishing a “joint industry-Government center that is capable of assisting in the initiation, coordination, restoration and reconstitution of NS/EP [national security and emergency preparedness] communications services or facilities under all conditions of emerging threats, crisis or emergency.”

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Control the flow of information, and all else follows.

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Now all your emergencies will be effectively managed! The bit about national resilience I choose not to think too much about.

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Everyday that I read the news the more I am certain that I will die in the 2nd revolution/civil war.

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Everyday that I read the news the more I am certain that I will die in the 2nd revolution/civil war.
That won't happen.

Perhaps some localized insurrections, which the military will very swiftly put down, very, very violently, as object lessons. Of course the media will parrot the government spin, and cast the military as national saviors - just like they cast the FBI and BATF in Waco.

The only real hope is decapitation on January 20th next. One good ground burst within a mile of the Capitol building at noon that day. That would get nearly all of the top officers of national and state governments, the Supreme Court, the Cabinet, most of the lobbyists and those who bankroll them, the Senate and the House of Representatives.. Properly placed and sufficiently powerful, it would take out the Pentagon, along with the FBI top echelon, the Justice Dept, most of the rest.

Won't happen, of course.

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I never said a 2nd revolution/civil war would be successful. But I am certain to the very core of my being that it will happen, even if only on a localized level. Perhaps even only a single state having the guts to say this isn't the way it's supposed to be and making their stand. And when it does, I will die in it. I am certain of this fact the same as I know the sun rises in the east and sets to the west.

Maybe the third, or the fourth will succeed. Maybe. All I know is that the America I was raised to believe in is gone. It was bought out along time ago so a select few could be among the new global nobility. The corporations are now the leadership, fiat paper asswipe is the only ballot that remains, and "Justice For All" is just a old record by Metallica.

It sickens me to hear people bitch about how things are going only to follow up with, "I wish I could just up and leave this country forever." Where is the sense of personal responsibility? The willingness to stand up for what's right? The backbone to be a man, willing to die on your feet fighting instead of living on your knees sucking the cock of the elite?

I'm honestly tired of telling my young niece and nephew that no, things aren't going to get better. The America you heard about in the stories, the movies, the history books, is dead. It was sold so you can watch Sponge Bob, play Angry Birds, and get fat on genetically modified corn sweetener. I refuse to lie to them. Sure, I could, but it's wrong, and I won't. The children deserve better than this.
I'm terrified that someday they (or their children) will arrive wearing an Neo Amerika version of the Hitler Youth uniform or a red scarf, turning in their own family for reeducation. (It'll probably be along the lines of an American Flag lapel pin or similar.) Such has happened in the world before and will happen here if this shit continues.

I'm tired of people thinking that this isn't happening. "Oh that's crazy talk. You need some Hope & Change/Jesus/NASCAR in your life. Now shut up so I can play video games, stare at my cell phone, watch sports, and reality TV, ect." Godamn every one of those mindless zombies. I really am sick to the core with these sheep.

1984, A Brave New World, & A Clockwork Orange where supposed to be cautionary tales, not future history.

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While I understand the sentiment, Tefl, just ask yourself these two questions: where did your ancestors come here from, and why did they come?

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A few of them came from Mongolia originally. I figure it was to kill mammoths and giant sloths but they may have just got lost and wandered over the ice bridge on accident.

Some came to escape starving to death in the 'tater famine. A few came to have the chance to live free and own their own land. A couple even sold themselves as indentured servants to get here. Then there was my direct forbearer from Wales who either was a fugitive from justice, or was forcibly transported by the crown for highway robbery. The family legend is that he was indeed a fugitive and our family name is fake.

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object lessons


Abject would be correct word.

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-an-abject-lesson.htm

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Perhaps so, were the lesson aimed at those upon whom the violence is inflicted. It is not quite the case, as the persons upon whom it is inflicted will not learn any lesson, ever again. The object of the lesson are the surviving onlookers, not those targeted.

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SLH was right - the Fourth Reich learned from the lessons of the Third.

I believe my phrasing was "The fascist countries may have lost World War Two, but fascism definitely won."

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The idea that "Americans"* "take it" is kind of laughable, but then, it's understandable that more or less sheltered and trusting peoples from lands more suited to and organized around a greater degree of government in general might get the idea that A) there are "Americans" in the USA that share qualities other than "human" B) voting has a point or makes an impact on things C) laws are legislated for any reason other than someone with a lot of cash wants a new power to bop field mice on the head with** D) anyone anywhere could or would benefit from a theoretically "good" politician sitting in office somewhere drumming up the party cash. The truth is still that none of these things can be assumed, all of them are unlikely at best, wholly untrue on average.

"Americans" are a trope, a mcguffin, a cartoon drawn specifically to distract and amuse. The USA has been under the direct and total oppression of The Cube since at least my childhood if not since the 1950s. Whatever hope this country had in the nation of the USA died when Reagan's presidency was established. Whatever value outside of "cautionary tale" the USA had was squandered - not by its 'citizens' (read 'captive animals') - but simply by The Cube. It has no head; it has no aims. It has no plan.

* (by this we are to assume "citizens of the USA" because I assure you an Uruguayan is no "American")

** If you understand this reference, gooble gobble, one of us, we accept you.

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Why do you take it?

Also, Lenore.

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I don't; I am very unusual in the specific way that I don't - but what do you suggest would be the proactive version of not taking "it"?

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Also, the question is addressed to people who identify themselves as Americans, people guided by the American constitution, who compromise their ideals more or less every time they breathe. Not chaos priests.

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Why do you take it?




whilst denmark just passed it's Nazi gouverment with uncomparable dignity and civil courage.

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I don't; I am very unusual in the specific way that I don't - but what do you suggest would be the proactive version of not taking "it"?

It's amusing that you even have to ask, after your diatribe. There is a huge number of people in the US who have introduced civil disobedience as a real concept. Occupy was an attempt, they said they didn't want to take it anymore. Hello? *knock knock* Your way of sailing around in a sea of facts, history and sudden flashes of random insight is very American. It all ends up in righteous apathy.

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Oh I'm always interested in people's ideas. Civil disobedience is, as you may have initially reasoned, not entirely below my radar;

if more people lived as I do in a couple of key respects, such as how and when they pay taxes and to whom, there would be a lot more politician's kissing our collective ass. But then, most people, in the USA or otherwise, simply do as they are told because they are told to / punished for not doing so, not because it's the best thing for everyone.

"Grow food" would have been a slightly higher-level answer, no? Help us think along those lines instead; "civil disobedience" is an empty term when not in some sort of context.

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* poof * The Good Fairy turned Little Bunny Foo-Foo into a goon!

Hare today, goon tomorrow.

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I am one of those naive, gullible Americans who doesnt pay attention to the news and what is happening in this world today or in the future....I am too trusting, too accepting, too relaxed with what I encounter each day....I have visited third world countries...seeing the poverty, homelessness and neediness and my heart goes out to them but I dont see it as result of government rule.....which I'm sure has a lot to do with it. Is reality doom and gloom or happiness and contentment?

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I think it might be random clumps of matter with a very strong but indiscreet sense of DEEP SIGNIFICANCE

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Reality, for you, is what you decide to see, whom you decide to trust. Only you can decide that for yourself, and only information can help you decide. If you choose not to see, then naivety is your choice.

Public media is part of the problem far more than it is part of the solution. If you want to know, then compare and contrast the slants and the "spin" put on everything, by every source you can access. Then discount all of the emotional loading and all of the descriptive terminology regarding anything. Extract the facts, if you want to see. Accept the distortions and the outright lies, if you want to be comfortable.

Unblinkered vision is uncomfortable, but only with it will you really see reality.

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I like to say, when pompously ensconced within one of my deep trances that make me omniscient and fascinating, that a lie casts a "cone of truth". Multiple lies concentrate the cone. All the lies in the world reveal the most precise truth, in almost blinding relief: not any of that shit was ever true at all.

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