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DRZ
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Meanwhile in Israel.

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What? No mention of Mexico?

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/mexico

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I wonder how many of the 10,728 were cops killing citizens?

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I wonder how many of the 10,728 were cops killing citizens?


Or burglars getting a bullet in their head.

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the answer to the china question: the attack in 5/2010 left 10 children dead and 11 injured. a knife attack in 3/2010 left 8 dead.

here's an interesting list.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...primary_schools

the worst was the 380+ dead at a school in beslan, russia by pro-chechen militants. scotland with 18 in 1996. the plo killed 26 at a school in 1974. and, in the worst school massacre in us history equaling today's carnage, in 1927 a man used explosives to kill a bunch of kids in michigan. and, a school was accidentally bombed in angola, killing 86, but that wasn't done on purpose.

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Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

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That's a load of crap. If he'd been using his fists, he'd have been taken out before anybody died.

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well, the uk has pretty strict gun laws but the 18 dead in scotland are still dead.

and the 1927 massacre didn't even involve guns.

i think coin had a point, that underlying social issues have a lot to do with incidents like this. you're not always going to stop a determined crazy person.

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I am definitely not denying the underlying social issues, but I am entirely opposed to the relative ease with which Americans acquire such lethal weapons.

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it's not too astounding that people would select guns as a dramatic and scary thing to be "against"; it's not hard to understand - but one does wish that both sides of this argument* would pay attention to stats over anecdotes and emotionalisms as a rule, just, like, to be all classy and shit.

* I'm going to have "both of you are wrong again" tattooed on the palm of my right hand

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First we limit the access to private automobiles.

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It would be good to give much thought, before
you try to find words for something so lost,
for those long childhood afternoons you knew
that vanished so completely --and why?

We're still reminded--: sometimes by a rain,
but we can no longer say what it means;
life was never again so filled with meeting,
with reunion and with passing on

as back then, when nothing happened to us
except what happens to things and creatures:
we lived their world as something human,
and became filled to the brim with figures.

And became as lonely as a sheperd
and as overburdened by vast distances,
and summoned and stirred as from far away,
and slowly, like a long new thread,
introduced into that picture-sequence
where now having to go on bewilders us.

- Rainer Maria Rilke.

Frum weighs in:

A permissive gun regime is not the only reason that the United States suffers so many atrocities like the one in Connecticut. An inadequate mental health system is surely at least as important a part of the answer, as are half a dozen other factors arising from some of the deepest wellsprings of American culture. Nor can anybody promise that more rational gun laws would prevent each and every mass murder in this country. Gun killings do occur even in countries that restrict guns with maximum severity. But we can say that if the United States worked harder to keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people, there would be many, many fewer atrocities like the one in Connecticut.

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Don't mistake me for dissing the flat moralism as a rhetorical tactic: I'm all about it. Thumbs up to shaming rhetoric. Just don't make the mistake of thinking it influences me, personally, beyond diming out just exactly who does and doesn't merit respectful attention. Kind of like hard trolling - if I catch a whiff of you actually believing in your line, I'll cease to take the argument seriously at all. I don't suggest that the dumb arguments nullify any argument for the legislation of yet more rights-removal from the USA system, I'm saying that the bullshit ones are bullshit from top to bottom, and, like the anti-drug propaganda of the 80s, bullshit of this kind emboldens the opposition.

Much as Mitt Romney was a tactic to coerce "moderate whatevers" into rocking out the vote for Obama, I am beginning to see incompetent railing against firearms rights - situated squarely in anecdote and emotionalism - as a way for pro-railgun interests to trick otherwise happily-cud-chewing USAns to vote against any form of sane controls, on the just predication that you motherfuckers are lying to steal rights from the people again.

Amend it. I will be on your side as soon as you deserve it.

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PS: I veer dangerously toward "mandatory arming of all citizens age 13 and up" when I see someone on the FB screaming "why won't they hear us" about legislating against unrestricted rights. "We demand you take choices away from us! We are angry you have left some self-control in the equation! We are all holding candles and crying about how you haven't demanded some shit out of us in almost a whole day." JHFC it's like black teen males and thug-gear: you want to fit the fucked up stereotype?!?! Argh.

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'Unlmited guns' isn't a very good frontier for a personal rights movement, though.

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PS: I veer dangerously toward "mandatory arming of all citizens age 13 and up"


I was going to say exactly the same thing. Mandatory arming of ALL citizens. If you get shot, it's your own bloody fault for not shooting first.

I suspect all that'll happen is the mandatory training and arming of all teachers. More guns. God bless America.

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the mental health issue is important, everyone with a grain of sense knows the mentally ill are underserved. part of the problem is that everyone may get the vibe someone is crazy-ish...family, neighbors, coworkers,,,but nothing much can be done until the person in question crosses certain lines, due to our stance on personal liberties. but i don't have a glib answer, because personal liberties are what makes the us special. perhaps part of the answer might be that a mental exam is a proactive part of gun ownership,the flip side is that certain nonconformist people might not pass...i can thinkof a couple of people here who, if the authorities got hold of some of their rants, which may or may not be trolling, might be excluded.

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There was a guy in China today that knifed 22 kids in an elementary school.


I can't even believe how many idiots have brought this up today thinking it proves their point. Let's compare headlines:

"Knife-wielding man injures 22 children in China"

"At least 27 killed, including 20 children, in Connecticut school shooting"

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What will happen is already happening. Much panty-wetting and lip-quivering hysterical hyperbole. Other than that, not much.

Tools require users.

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Patrick, you're as thick as pig shit sometimes.

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