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High Net Worth (more than $1 million, in 2006)
Region Number Percentage of regional population
Global 9,500,000 0.15%
North America 3,200,000 0.62%
Europe 2,900,000 0.41%
Asia-Pacific 2,600,000 0.06%
Latin America 400,000 0.07%
Middle East 300,000 N/A
Africa 100,000 0.01%
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millio...s_in_the_world

1, 2, or 3 ever year except 1980
http://www.mapsofworld.com/olympic-...y-country.html

most inventions since 1900
http://www.krysstal.com/inventions_14.html

yep a bunch of underachievers



I live in the US and I'm as concerned as anyone might be about the future of the US (being as mine is within it). The US education system, though, really is pretty poor; everyone's a winner, achieved by the method of lowering standards. It's bad enough in the UK, but if you put the US academic achievement standards even to UK schools, you'd get laughed at.

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Also, that inventions link is somewhat bizarre. You might want to look at it with a neutral eye.

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the list clearly sucks as there is no bosnia on it.

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Originally posted by Smug Git
I live in the US and I'm as concerned as anyone might be about the future of the US (being as mine is within it). The US education system, though, really is pretty poor; everyone's a winner, achieved by the method of lowering standards. It's bad enough in the UK, but if you put the US academic achievement standards even to UK schools, you'd get laughed at.


Those problems aren't due to under funding ( we were talking about socialism). Those problems are a result of the fluffy PC ethics that are treated like holy law by the American left. Avoid offense at all cost, even reality.

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The flaws in the US education system aren't just PC nonsense, though, although it's a part of it. For that matter, it's hardly as if elements of the conservative coalition haven't been fucking about with education curricula and practice (creationism/ID being the most heinous examples, but the No Child Left Behind farrago is classic big-government conservatism).

The problems are broad -- there appears to be a genuine acceptance of poor standards, and a resulting disconnect between how good Americans think their educational achievement is with how good it actually is. That's a national psychosis, I think, rather than an ideological one.

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Also, funds are spent on the wrong stuff, I think. The vast majority of funding should go on teacher salaries, but it often doesn't. If you want good teachers, which are the most important element within the control of the school district, you need to be able to pay good money for them, otherwise many potential teachers, who would be good teachers, will go into different lines of work.

The tenure system is unnecessary, in my opinion, for teachers (I can see the point for University researchers, but not for teachers at K12 level); I think that the ills of the tenure system are often massively overstated, however, because the bigger problem is with the supply of good teachers (rather than inabililty to fire bad ones) and that's not going to be improved by removing one of the prime perks of the job.

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Also, funds are spent on the wrong stuff, I think. The vast majority of funding should go on teacher salaries, but it often doesn't. If you want good teachers, which are the most important element within the control of the school district, you need to be able to pay good money for them, otherwise many potential teachers, who would be good teachers, will go into different lines of work.

The tenure system is unnecessary, in my opinion, for teachers (I can see the point for University researchers, but not for teachers at K12 level); I think that the ills of the tenure system are often massively overstated, however, because the bigger problem is with the supply of good teachers (rather than inabililty to fire bad ones) and that's not going to be improved by removing one of the prime perks of the job.



Part of the problem with teacher salaries is that it's funded by taxes, and heaven forbid somebody pay an extra 1% on their property taxes so that teacher salaries could get a bump.

We couldn't even get a bond issue passed to build a new high school so that we could do away with the old junior high building (which was falling apart in some pretty spectacular ways) until a tornado did a number on the old high school and junior high buildings and we were going to get a new one with or without voter approval.

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I can see why an destroyed building needs replacing. Otherwise, though, I'd sure as hell take higher-paid teachers in a shitty old building, than less well-paid teachers in a new one (because attracting good teachers is important; sure, they'll want to be in a nice building, but they'd rather earn 20-30 grand more, I reckon; certainly I would have, when I was a teacher, and I taught in both shitty old and nice new buildings).

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I can see why an destroyed building needs replacing. Otherwise, though, I'd sure as hell take higher-paid teachers in a shitty old building, than less well-paid teachers in a new one (because attracting good teachers is important; sure, they'll want to be in a nice building, but they'd rather earn 20-30 grand more, I reckon; certainly I would have, when I was a teacher, and I taught in both shitty old and nice new buildings).


The average salary for a teacher in Nebraska is around $38.4k which I guess ranked us at #42 in the last little survey of salaries. The average starting salary is somewhere around $24k. That means that from 2004 until 2006 I made more than a new teacher in Nebraska. One of my teachers in high school painted houses and did roofs during the summer to pad his wallet.

We'll likely never see any meaningful increases in teacher salary here until their union grows a pair and decides to compare salaries with similar schools in the nation and use that as leverage to get a small raise. But that brings up the fact that our state employee union is a toothless creature that will cave in on just about any position nine times out of ten.

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I would say the buildings have to be above a certain standrad (unlikely to have students or staff injured by falling ceiling tiles or contracting fungal infections from wall mold, say), but otherwise I'd agree with Smug that higher salary and more recognition of the profession as such would be more important.

My dream is to have a college craduate, when asked what he or she wants to do for a career, to say "Well, I was thinking of trying for third-grade teacher."

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I would say the buildings have to be above a certain standrad (unlikely to have students or staff injured by falling ceiling tiles or contracting fungal infections from wall mold, say), but otherwise I'd agree with Smug that higher salary and more recognition of the profession as such would be more important.

My dream is to have a college craduate, when asked what he or she wants to do for a career, to say "Well, I was thinking of trying for third-grade teacher."



The old junior high building was getting pretty close. It was roach infested, moldy, the ceilings were sagging in a lot of rooms, the walls were cracking, and it wasn't big enough to handle the number of students (they tried to remedy this at one point by adding on to the building, but it still wasn't enough by the time I went through). The only reason it was replaced was because the tornado shifted the roof and the inside suffered a lot of water damage and its already failing structural integrity was further compromised.

We need to pay our teachers more, but we're notoriously stingy with tax money (unless it goes to UNL and the FOOTBAAAAAL program).

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By moving into a trailer and lying about building a house.

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By moving into a trailer and lying about building a house.


No, I am putting the stemwalls in right now.

Actually I'm taking a little break but I am working on the house.

I so need a camera that I can work.

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They have those nowadays, they're called "point and click", try going to a camera shop.

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He can't. He is too busy not building his house.

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I resign. I nominate thimbles as my replacement.

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