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Kindle thread

Kindle and related stuff goes here! Or wherever else you want to put it.

http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_...le-part-ii.html

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Two problems with the Kindle.

1) Excessive cost. Ridiculously excessive. Production costs on that thing don't exceed $35, I'd bet.

2) Too frigging small a screen.

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I actually think the screen is too large but this is because I want it to be pocketable, but we've discussed that before, matter of personal need. However, the screen is the same size a non-tpb page and it is possible to re-size. Obviously not enough for your blind ass, but it can read the books to you(if you like creepy robot voices reading books to you).

However, I agree on the cost at least as far as it applies to being affordable, but I'm not so sure on the production cost thing, seeing as how most of the e-book readers have fairly comparable prices(though most don't come with a free cellular hook-up to a store). Considering that they're already subsidizing the cost of the cellular connection, I guess I can't whine too much about not subsidizing the cost of the device itself. This doesn't change the fact that I don't want to pay $400 for one.

I am very interested in the over-all subject of the Kindle though from the publishing stand-point, I can easily self-publish for Kindle through Amazon, rather than attempting to find a dead tree publisher, so I'm interested in various talk about the Kindle itself, and now Kindle-on-iPhone, because there are a lot more iPhones out there than Kindles.

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E-ink displays aren't cheap to make nor to initially research, which is what probably makes up the majority of the cost of the Kindle at the moment. It's an early adopters toy.

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Yeah, I haven't seen a breakdown of kindle components like I have some devices, but I do remember that an e-ink dev kit cost quite a damned bit initially($1200 if I recall correctly), which tells you something about the cost of the display. As this shows though, the kindle isn't much more expensive than the cheapest, and very far from being the most expensive. Maybe sometime around the third or fourth generation, we might see some price drop.

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This might as well go here

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http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news...ture-e-book.ars

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If you remain unconvinced, here's one final exercise, in the grand tradition of a particular family of Internet analogies. Take all of your arguments against the inevitability of e-books and substitute the word "horse" for "book" and the word "car" for "e-book." Here are a few examples to whet your appetite for the (really) inevitable debate in the discussion section at the end of this article.

"Books will never go away." True! Horses have not gone away either.

"Books have advantages over e-books that will never be overcome." True! Horses can travel over rough terrain that no car can navigate. Paved roads don't go everywhere, nor should they.

"Books provide sensory/sentimental/sensual experiences that e-books can't match." True! Cars just can't match the experience of caring for and riding a horse: the smells, the textures, the sensations, the companionship with another living being.

Lather, rinse, repeat. Did you ride a horse to work today? I didn't. I'm sure plenty of people swore they would never ride in or operate a "horseless carriage"—and they never did! And then they died.


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A large portion of the Kindle's cost is also the price of the books that come loaded on it, and with the whole debacle over text-to-speech reading of e-books being copyright infringement I imagine the Kindle's price might go up if they have to start paying for that (assuming they don't ditch text-to-speech).

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I have no issue with the text to speech going away but again, that's my personal feeling. If the kindle were more pocketable, I might be more interested since at times I do have to stop reading because I require my eyes for other things and being able to shift directly into audio book mode from the proper place in the book easily would be nice, but isn't workable if I have to carry a large reader around.
That said, fuck the 'copyright infringement'. What a chunk of shit.

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http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/ar...tly_id_seen.php

Another person finds the convenience of an ebook too good.

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That guy had Steve Jobs' dick in his mouth when he wrote that article.

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The cult of blowing jobs is spreading.

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http://www.teleread.org/2009/04/11/...-screen-kindle/

Large format kindle for blind fuckers?

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quote:
Originally posted by SimpleSimon
Two problems with the Kindle.

1) Excessive cost. Ridiculously excessive. Production costs on that thing don't exceed $35, I'd bet.

2) Too frigging small a screen.



Turns out you missed by about $150

http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/22/...shhh/#continued

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Amazon.com Inc.'s new Kindle 2 eBook carries $185.49 in materials and manufacturing costs, according to a dissection conducted by iSuppli Corp.'s Teardown Analysis Service.



They also note that the e-ink represent over 40% of the device.

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