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Brett
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I honestly can't see myself voting Republican at all in the near future. They've turned me off from even considering an otherwise moderate candidate.



My theory on 2012: the race is between Romney and Palin with Romney eventually winning. Romney will win because I think the Republicans will sober up slightly by then and choose a candidate more likely to beat Obama and/or appeal to moderates, despite the GOP's current Hard-Right status. Romney then either A) Chooses Palin who then sinks an already shaky campaign (See: Why Obama did not pick Hillary) or B) Chooses Huckabee to draw over the social conservatives wary of voting for a Mormon. Palin will then run as a Third Party candidate (like Tea Party) and siphon votes from Romney/Huckabee. Obama coasts to a victory and, at worse (option B), doesn't win with a 50+% majority, but still wins Electoral vote.

the idea of Palin running scares the crap out of me. Granted, her number of supporters is low, but the fact that ~25% support her is scary as shit and too close for comfort even then. The fact that she's pulling more than Nader-levels of support is frightening

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Romneycare=Obamacare

Mitt hasn't a snowball's chance in Hell.

The Conservatives won't take him. Palin fares even worse - she may be the Teabag darling, but less than 9% of Republicans think she's ready for the presidency. Paul seems like the guy, but once he starts with the Gold Standard crap again, not even an army of Paultards will be able to help him. With the state of the GOP Hell No crowd, I don't see how Obama can lose.

And the way the Teabaggers are going to split the vote for Republicans this fall, and their mistaken idea to run under Repeal & Replace, I can't see them gaining very many seats. Heck, if they keep their childish obstructionism going, I wouldn't doubt seeing the Dems pick up a few seats.

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Speculation on a race that is politically light years away is for imbeciles, which, of course, explains the existence of every post on this thread prior to this one.

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I haven't forgot about your speculation. Welcome to the club.

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Yeah, that was an impressive shot to the foot.

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quote:
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Romneycare=Obamacare

Mitt hasn't a snowball's chance in Hell.




ah, but you assume Romney won't run against a policy that mirrors his own. Why, only a snakeoil politician would do such a thing!


I think Romney will win the GOP nomination if only because I think he'll come across as the most believable to those who at least give lip service to fiscal responsibility. (Whether each respective nominee is fiscally conservative is a moot point.) For all of Huckabees' blathering about Fair Tax, he doesn't come off as anything but a social conservative with little interest/knowledge outside of the Bible.

I'm also skeptical of Ron Paul running. Frankly, for someone making money hand over fist in 2008, he didn't really have much to show for it other than followers who didn't do much other than complain that "Ron Paul was a GREAT nominee.... but he'll never win." Not exactly a ringing endorsement by his own supporters. So, if he does run, just look for more bitching from his supporters and not much else. Maybe another WoW tribute.

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Nothing wrong in voting for the loser.

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nothing wrong, but the mantra from Ron Paul supporters from day one was "Oh man he would be a good President... too bad he can't win". Repeat that ad nauseum until he eventually drops out and it just seemed like a self-fulfilling prophecy as it doesn't exactly inspire support from those who wouldn't give two shits otherwise. There's more to support than just giving the candidate money. The condescending attitude from Paul's supporters towards anyone not supporting Paul was also a turn off.

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I just want to see what happens if he gets lots of votes. It could be fun and healthy.

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I haven't forgot about your speculation. Welcome to the club.


At least you admit you are in the club.

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Speculation on a race that is politically light years away is for imbeciles, which, of course, explains the existence of every post on this thread prior to this one.


So, would you vote for Palin/Bachmann in 2012?

Your answer determines whether or not I take anything you say seriously ever again.

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Most people made that decision long ago.

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Re: Re: Re: Anyone But Obama?

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Though I like your answer, and would actually love to see a candidate like what you described put forward in 2012 (awesome race, awesome debates), I'm not sure if anyone currently meets any of these criteria.. Or is there someone you have in mind and just aren't lettin' loose?

I guess I'm just interested in who people think, out of what we've got for likely candidates, would be worth voting for over Obama and, of course, why they think they're candidate would be a better president of all Americans?


I don't have a candidate in mind at this time. Frankly, making that decision has for the longest time been akin to choosing between a skunk and a polecat. As spelled out in the U.S. Constitution, these are the duties and powers assigned to the President:

"Section 2. The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.

The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.

Section 3. He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.
"

Amen.

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Romney doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell because he's Mormon.

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Anyone But Obama?

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I don't have a candidate in mind at this time. Frankly, making that decision has for the longest time been akin to choosing between a skunk and a polecat. As spelled out in the U.S. Constitution, these are the duties and powers assigned to the President:

"Section 2. The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.

The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.

Section 3. He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.
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Amen.

JEB, do you ever have wet dreams wherein you're fucking Farrah Fawcett's head attached to the original U.S. Constitution.

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Anyone But Obama?

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JEB, do you ever have wet dreams wherein you're fucking Farrah Fawcett's head attached to the original U.S. Constitution.

No. Your point?

Amen.

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His point is at the top of his head, JEB.

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In the interest of keeping PDM civil, I will refrain from point-making!

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In the interest of keeping PDM civil, I will refrain from point-making!

Are you suggesting the only way you can express your point is to be uncivil?

Amen.

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Are you suggesting the only way you can express your point is to be uncivil?

Amen.

Precisely.

And,
I don't need your Civil War.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.

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Precisely.

And,
I don't need your Civil War.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.


My Civil War? I suppose the bait of this remark is to provoke a response from me to the effect that it is one of the most boneheaded posts I've ever read. Fact is, while it is indeed boneheaded, I've read plenty worse here.

A common trait of the more vociferous posters (there are exceptions) is that their remarks reveal an aching dearth of personal investment in bonafide research and credible scholarship, i.e., study. True, I've called this trait a mark of laziness before. Doing so, in turn, brought out the usual suspects to express howling umbrage, even though I merely left the shoe out there to wear for all it might fit, rather than name names.

Travis, spouting one or two curt lines you think clever in hopes of cloaking yourself in enigmatic profundity cannot conceal that you don't know what you're talking about. I don't intend that as an insult to your honor, either. Rather, it's just the only conclusion that can be drawn from your testimony.

Here's the Constitution. Go against the grain and become one of the first of your peers to actually read it. You can do it.

Amen.

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My Civil War? I suppose the bait of this remark is to provoke a response from me to the effect that it is one of the most boneheaded posts I've ever read. Fact is, while it is indeed boneheaded, I've read plenty worse here.

A common trait of the more vociferous posters (there are exceptions) is that their remarks reveal an aching dearth of personal investment in bonafide research and credible scholarship, i.e., study. True, I've called this trait a mark of laziness before. Doing so, in turn, brought out the usual suspects to express howling umbrage, even though I merely left the shoe out there to wear for all it might fit, rather than name names.

Travis, spouting one or two curt lines you think clever in hopes of cloaking yourself in enigmatic profundity cannot conceal that you don't know what you're talking about. I don't intend that as an insult to your honor, either. Rather, it's just the only conclusion that can be drawn from your testimony.

Here's the Constitution. Go against the grain and become one of the first of your peers to actually read it. You can do it.

Amen.

What we've got here is failure to communicate.

I have read the Constitution, kind sir. And, well, it's a document. An elegantly formed string of words, to be sure, but nothing greater.

And I realize that many of your PDM statements are posited with relevant Constitutional citations. But you know what they say, a supremely authoritative legal document and four dollars will get you a tall mocha latte.

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