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SocialParasite writes: "Why don't you look at the other side of the coin for a moment before you spew your nationlist psychobabble."

GFY replies: Nationalist psychobabble? You really must have a deep hatred for America! I'm defending THE PHENOMENAL GOOD that this country did and continues to do! If that's nationalist psychobabble, then so be it!!

SocialParasite: Reading your last few posts has made me want to take a hearty smash on an American flag and wipe me ass with a hundred dollar bill.

GFY: Go ahead and do it. People all over the world would love to live where the American flag is flying. They come here on rickety rafts to do just that! The American flag is the most beautiful symbol the world has seen.

SocialParasite: My grandpa fought in WW2, and I'm proud of him for serving his country.

Me: OH REALLY?!! Then you're proud of a man who fought for a country who killed all those innocent Japs! Then why are you proud of him??? Stop your pschobabble now!!

SocialParasite: I also believe that our last-minute hail-mary usage of the atomic bomb was a total waste. If you can't beat 'em fair and square, fight dirty, right? That's the American way!

GFY: "fair and square"???? That's laughable! People are being slaughtered by the millions and you want Truman to worry about "fair and square". I would laugh if I weren't crying!

SocialParasite: Oh, just so you know, it was a Nazi German scientist that we captured that helped design the atomic bomb. We later let him go free without punishment for his crimes during World War 2. If you read up on the history of the atomic bomb you will see just how close the Nazis really were to completing their bomb. About the only thing that really stopped them was that we kept them from getting the heavy water they needed, and they were just a few steps, but precious few they were, behind our own research.

GFY: Yes, Hitler (from his point of view) made a big mistake in letting some of those brilliant German scientists escape the Third Reich. And we were lucky to get them. So maybe you should BLAME THOSE GERMANS THEN for ENABLING the United States to end the war!! At any rate, they all ended up American citizens and THEY knew the importance of America's getting the A-Bomb FIRST! They knew its importance, because they knew what Hitler was capable of.

SocialParasite: I was comparing the volume of people killed, not the motives behind the killing.

GFY: As you know, volume doesn't really bother me when you're in a world war, unless its OUR volumes. WINNING IS THE ONLY THING I CARE ABOUT! Truman obviously felt the same way.

SocialParasite: Stalin killed a confirmed 8 million, and it has been estimated he killed over 15 million during World War 2, and he wasn't even a member of the Axis. He was on OUR side.

GFY: I know that!

SocialParasite: I guess it's better to make a deal with the devil than take him head on, right?

GFY: Even now as I'm typing this, millions are being slaughtered and tortured throughout the world. We do business with China don't we? Look how they treat their people. The world is a fucked up place and we can't fight everywhere. We have to pick our battles. I hate what Stalin did. He was pure evil. BUT COULD WE HAVE TAKEN ON GERMANY AND RUSSIA TOO???? Because we fought Germany, does that mean we have to love what Stalin was doing? Besides, Hitler was trying to take over the world.

SocialParasite: I guess Siberian labor camps for "enemies of the people," aren't as bad as "Nazi death camps for those damn Jews," eh?

GFY: Yes, they are bad. You seem to be upset that instead of fighting Hitler, we didn't fight Stalin! You seem to be upset that unless every evil person is defeated, then we can't fight one evil murderer. We ended up defeating their whole fucking system anyhow. (Of course, it's still a mess over there, and getting worse. Another topic for another time.)

SocialParasite: What we did to the Japaneese citizens of the United States, many that were born and raised on our own soil, was a byproduct of the same nationlistic bullshit you've been gushing out of your mouth.

GFY: I SAID ABOVE THAT THAT WAS WRONG. I WAS THE ONE WHO MENTIONED IT FIRST!!! But I compared OUR concentration camps to the German's concentration camps. The comparison is ridiculous. See above.

SocialParasite: "Loose lips sink ships," right? That's a load of paranoid crap, and we knew it from day one. But it was okay because we didn't want those slanty-eyed mother fuckers reporting back to the homeland. Why didn't we imprison all our German and Italian citizens as well, hmmm? It would have only been fitting with the rest of our paranoid nationlist crap.

GFY: Right here you're showing your own hatred for America. It's as obvious as the screen I'm looking at. I never said America was perfect. I never said America doesn't make mistakes. I said that America, when looked at throught the prism of history, has been and IS the greatest country ever. I'm surprised you didn't mention the worst American evil of all: Slavery.

SocialParasite: You can fight a war without killing innocents. Happened all the time back when wars were really fought.

GFY: WTF?

SocialParasite: Back when the sound of battle consisted of the battle cries of your men, the clash of steel on steel, and the twang of taught bowstrings being released as their deadly rain fell down on your foes.

GFY: Okay! I get it. Good ending! You're tired and I'm tired. Goodnight. It's been fun disagreeing with you. I hope somebody here defends me. I can't keep typing like this!

SocialParasite: I'm tired. I'm going to bed. I hope you can get just exactly what it is you're standing for figured out by morning.

GFY: I figured it out. I'm standing for and by the United States of America and all the good it has done and the greatness it represents in world history. I'm also standing up and sticking up for it when it's knocked and bashed. And I still think that a South Korean living in this country should be grateful to its citizens and not treat us like shit.

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GFY, my respect for you has just taken the biggest nose dive known to man. You are a racists, nationalistic, ignorant, unobjective, unempirical, illogical, irrational fool. Your analysis of the facts is guided by dogma. I pity you.

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oooooo read history? what history? 200 years you mean. Big fucking deal. I have nothing against american people, and too tellyou the truth I am getting sick of this fucking argument. Yes thats right, me, the big american basher is getting sick of it. Look GFY, yes you have done some good things, the problem for most non americans is that so few of you acknoweldeg the bad things you have done. Thats the problem they have I think.

Arrogance from a nation can so often be its downfall. Read History.




I don't believe I'm arrogant. I acknowledge the bad things we've done. But the good that we've done far outweighs the bad. You choose to focus on the bad, I choose to focus on the good. Where are you from?

And, yes, we've had only 200 years of history. How many years of history has Germany had? Why aren't you focusing their evil? Or focusing on the evil of China? Or Japan? We're big. We stick out. We accomplish things. We help others with financial aid and with our blood. We're a big target to you I guess.

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GFY, my respect for you has just taken the biggest nose dive known to man. You are a racists, nationalistic, ignorant, unobjective, unempirical, illogical, irrational fool. Your analysis of the facts is guided by dogma. I pity you.



Your respect means shit to me! I piss on your respect! You know less than nothing!

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I don't believe I'm arrogant. I acknowledge the bad things we've done. But the good that we've done far outweighs the bad. You choose to focus on the bad, I choose to focus on the good. Where are you from?

And, yes, we've had only 200 years of history. How many years of history has Germany had? Why aren't you focusing their evil? Or focusing on the evil of China? Or Japan? We're big. We stick out. We accomplish things. We help others with financial aid and with our blood. We're a big target to you I guess.



I am European, I live in the UK and was born here, but I consider myself European. China's evil? You mean the evil propagandised by the USA in the past 50 years? Or the evil of being one of the first civilisations in the world? Japan's evil? Once again I take it you are referring to the 6 or so years of Japanese Imperialism in the last century yes? You have everything out of perspective.

Hmmmm Germany. Established as a nation state is the 15th Century I believe through the unification of a number of other territories. Focusing on their evil? You make it sound like they are all evil, I think iglo may have a few things to say about that. Thankfully I do not live in the past on that issue. Germany is not evil now, and in fact most of its inhabitants were not evil in the past, a select few were. But then you read history so you would know that.

Did I say America was evil? No. I just said that that many feel America has done bad things which many do not acknowledge. Just like the UK has done horrendous things which many here do not acknowledge. Blind faith in a nations actions is where the problems lies for me. Yes Japan, China, Germany ahve committed atrocities in the past. But then so have the USA and the UK, we have committed a mulitutde of war crimes, but we we won so we don;t get tried for them. I suggest looking at my thread on NATO to see the evidence for those facts. And links to definitions of the crimes that our nations have so blatently committed.



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You know less than nothing!



I believe, and am confident that I know far more than you on the examples and issues that you raise on international affairs.

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I believe, and am confident that I know far more than you on the examples and issues that you raise on international affairs.



Game, set and match, spooky.

Spooky is a hero.

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I believe, and am confident that I know far more than you on the examples and issues that you raise on international affairs.



You may. But it's all in the interpretation, isn't it? For instance, (referring to Zimbabwe) Mugabe looks at his country from his perspective and a white farm owner from his. And so do foreigners regard America diffently from myself. Brilliant historians disagree all the time over just about everything--Truman's decision being a prime example. Didn't you read where I said how horrible Slavery was. Would a true Nationalist say that?

I can see here, from what you've written above, that you have a very high opinion of yourself. That says a lot, too, about you.

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You may. But it's all in the interpretation, isn't it? For instance, (referring to Zimbabwe) Mugabe looks at his country from his perspective and a white farm owner from his. And so do foreigners regard America diffently from myself. Brilliant historians disagree all the time over just about everything--Truman's decision being a prime example. Didn't you read where I said how horrible Slavery was. Would a true Nationalist say that?

I can see here, from what you've written above, that you have a very high opinion of yourself. That says a lot, too, about you.



What you are talking about GFY is emotive historical analysis. This is only useful in establishing as you rightly put , perspective from one point of view. But real historical analysis is putting emotive analysis and using empirical facts to find historical truth. Sometimes, the truth is not what we hoped and bad historians put a perspective on it. As I believe you are doing. That is not history that is opinion.

As for me having a hig opinion of myself. I have a high opinion of myself iwithin the conetx of this post and the repsonse I gave to you. Nothing more.



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Spooky: I am European, I live in the UK and was born here, but I consider myself European. China's evil? You mean the evil propagandised by the USA in the past 50 years?

GFY: No. How China has treated its own people. Compare our Bill of Rights TO THEIRS!!! DO IT!!!

Spooky: Or the evil of being one of the first civilisations in the world? Japan's evil? Once again I take it you are referring to the 6 or so years of Japanese Imperialism in the last century yes? You have everything out of perspective.

GFY: Right now, and because it's late, I was only referring to the Japanese aggression during WWII. And its aggression, particularly, on the United States. Japan has hardly been a bastion of democracy.

Spooky: Hmmmm Germany. Established as a nation state is the 15th Century I believe through the unification of a number of other territories. Focusing on their evil? You make it sound like they are all evil, I think iglo may have a few things to say about that. Thankfully I do not live in the past on that issue. Germany is not evil now, and in fact most of its inhabitants were not evil in the past, a select few were. But then you read history so you would know that.

GFY: You have got to be kidding? AND YOU DARE CALL ME A RACIST???? You must be a Jew hater, too, then, if you can dismiss the destruction of a whole fucking race of people BY THE GERMANS as NOT EVIL!!

Spooky: Did I say America was evil? No. I just said that that many feel America has done bad things which many do not acknowledge. Just like the UK has done horrendous things which many here do not acknowledge. Blind faith in a nations actions is where the problems lies for me. Yes Japan, China, Germany ahve committed atrocities in the past. But then so have the USA and the UK, we have committed a mulitutde of war crimes, but we we won so we don;t get tried for them. I suggest looking at my thread on NATO to see the evidence for those facts. And links to definitions of the crimes that our nations have so blatently committed.

GFY: No, I never said that the U.S. was without sin. I acknowledge it. But, except for how you want to interpret our bombing of Japan, WE WEREN'T BARBARIC. We didn't march people to their deaths. We didn't put people in ovens. People WERE held accountable--if not at that time, then later. We do own up to our mistakes. You've got me pegged wrongly. I see faults. But I see all the good we have done. That's what you hate me for.

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Spooky: What you are talking about GFY is emotive historical analysis. This is only useful in establishing as you rightly put , perspective from one point of view. But real historical analysis is putting emotive analysis and using empirical facts to find historical truth. Sometimes, the truth is not what we hoped and bad historians put a perspective on it. As I believe you are doing. That is not history that is opinion.

GFY: "History is written by the victors" is often said. "Truth" can be very elusive and really doesn't exist in a discussion of history. Facts do exist; truth, maybe not. Because truth has to do with interpretation. My truth is your fiction, for example.

I think what really bothers me most is that WHEN ALL IS SAID AND DONE, even considering all the wrong that has been done by America, I still think that America should be praised and looked up to! I say this based on everything I've read and studied about America and it's place in history vis-a-vis any other country.

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GFY: No. How China has treated its own people. Compare our Bill of Rights TO THEIRS!!! DO IT!!!



I think you are missing the fundamental point of cultural and political diversity. Just because you have a Bill of Rights, it does not automatically place you on a superior moral highground. It merely highlights your difference. As for China and its people. I can only assume you are commenting on the Tinamen Square incident, whcih I accept was wrong. however, the Cultural Revolution under Mau brought stability and social justice to a region that had long been in need of it as a result of imperialist structure before it. Mau, and the Communist Party saved the Chinese population from ceratin starvation and destitution throuigh the Cultural Revolution, guarnteeing food and employment for all, in a nation that has one thrid of the world population. You may not like communism, but in this case Mau and China did what was born out of necessity to pull the country together and stop famine. I cannot condone that as a bad thing. Sorry.

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GFY: Right now, and because it's late, I was only referring to the Japanese aggression during WWII. And its aggression, particularly, on the United States. Japan has hardly been a bastion of democracy.



Once again you fail to acknowledge cultural diversity in your analysis, and instead seem to wish to impose some kind of Western Cultural Imperialism on a nation. In the context that they 'they are not like us, ergo they must be bad'. Flawed logic entirely. As for the comment on democracy, I would argue that that being a democracy does not mean you will, by necessity be somehow a better nation. Are you trying to argue that democracy means you don;t ever do anything bad? I hope not becasue that would tremendously naive.

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GFY: You have got to be kidding? AND YOU DARE CALL ME A RACIST???? You must be a Jew hater, too, then, if you can dismiss the destruction of a whole fucking race of people BY THE GERMANS as NOT EVIL!!



I did not dismiss the holocaust. What I did do (assuming you actually read it), was say that I will not say that 'Germans are evil', because that would be a genralised a stereotype. I also said that some Germans did evil things, but I will not say that an entire country is evil, because, to put it simply, that would be wrong. I mean, GFY, what about German Jews? Are they evil because they are Germans?

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GFY: No, I never said that the U.S. was without sin. I acknowledge it. But, except for how you want to interpret our bombing of Japan, WE WEREN'T BARBARIC. We didn't march people to their deaths. We didn't put people in ovens. People WERE held accountable--if not at that time, then later. We do own up to our mistakes. You've got me pegged wrongly. I see faults. But I see all the good we have done. That's what you hate me for.



errr did soldiers rape Vietnamese woman? Did they kill entire villages? Did they mistreat POW's in WW2 (I include the British in that question)? Did people lynch black people? Was ethnic cleasning a practice used on Native Americans? Look GFY, all countries commit atrocities, but it seems you wish to consider your somehow less, and not as bad as others, when in reality they are all as bad as each other.

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I still think that America should be praised and looked up to!


So essntially the main thrust of your argument is that we should all bow down before the great america and praise it like some kind of world diety or monarch. How wonderfully democratic you truly are.

Looked up too??!?!? Are you trying to argue that America has reached the pinnacle of modern morality? What a crock of shit.

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I never expected to ever...EVER...see the day when GFY! argued politics and the like with Spooky.....

my life is now complete.



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Uhh, baiting, anyone?

All I'm gonna say.

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I never expected to ever...EVER...see the day when GFY! argued politics and the like with Spooky.....

my life is now complete.


actually mate, I was arguing about history, but if you want to see it like then fair enough.


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I dun know where you get your history from GFY.
All I can say to this is god bless america for not joining WWII until it directly involed them. God bless for building the tanks that the Nazi's used. God bless the fact that they sat and watched people die.
I dun know exactly what it is you think We should all be amazed about.
The Most internationly active country on this globe, as far as "military" goes is the Canadian Peace Keepers. Used by the UN to stop major crisies that many countries wont get involed in for finacial reasons.
I'm sorry but the only time the US steps up to anything it's when money is involved not people. Chek your history books, or maybe you should chek a different history book that isn't full of American propaganda.

I'm not saying I'm better. And that you're worse. Hell my culture revolves around the same as you. We are the same country that is run competly differnt.

Praise be on those individuals in life that have faced outstanding odds and yet came through on top. That lived though the wars, poverty, deasie, and famine.


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[B...God bless for building the tanks that the Nazi's used...[/B]



???

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The Ford Company was involed in the development of thier tanks before the war..

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The Ford Company was involed in the development of thier tanks before the war..





I remember reading that somwhere....


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GFY replies: Nationalist psychobabble? You really must have a deep hatred for America! I'm defending THE PHENOMENAL GOOD that this country did and continues to do! If that's nationalist psychobabble, then so be it!!


Sorry, pal. No hatred for America here. I haven't once said that I hate America. I have said that I don't like some of the hasty decisions that we made in World War 2. What I call nationalist psychobabble is that whole, "I don't care if one million of them die, so long as one of ours doesn't die," nonsense. That actually stems beyond nationaist pride and into, dare I say it, racism.

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GFY: Go ahead and do it. People all over the world would love to live where the American flag is flying. They come here on rickety rafts to do just that! The American flag is the most beautiful symbol the world has seen.



Yes, the Cubans and a handful of other countries still think we're the shit. The rest of the world has a different opinion.

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Me: OH REALLY?!! Then you're proud of a man who fought for a country who killed all those innocent Japs! Then why are you proud of him??? Stop your pschobabble now!!



I'm proud of a man who fought for his country, regardless of what the country as a whole did. Had my grandfather been a Nazi SS officer, or a Japaneese Kamakazi pilot, I would take great pride in calling him grandfather because he served his country. The unintelligent decisions of a whole don't always reflect on the individual.

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GFY: "fair and square"???? That's laughable! People are being slaughtered by the millions and you want Truman to worry about "fair and square". I would laugh if I weren't crying!



So, our slaughter of millions in a two day period is justifiable because of the slaughter of millions elsewhere? How can you justify attacking a civilian area? Especially when it is clearly laid out in NATO regulation that attacking civilians is a no-no. At least when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor they attacked a military installation and not a civilian town. That, my confused friend, is fair and square. We may have been caught with our pants around our ankles, although we shouldn't have, but at least the attack was within the rules of engagement.

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GFY: Yes, Hitler (from his point of view) made a big mistake in letting some of those brilliant German scientists escape the Third Reich. And we were lucky to get them. So maybe you should BLAME THOSE GERMANS THEN for ENABLING the United States to end the war!! At any rate, they all ended up American citizens and THEY knew the importance of America's getting the A-Bomb FIRST! They knew its importance, because they knew what Hitler was capable of.



So, it was okay to let those war criminals go because they helped us kill a million people? Okay, I follow that. How about I put up a giant ad in all the newspapers 'round the world that says: "Slobadan: If you come here and help us zip up our pants, we'll let you go free."

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GFY: As you know, volume doesn't really bother me when you're in a world war, unless its OUR volumes. WINNING IS THE ONLY THING I CARE ABOUT! Truman obviously felt the same way.



I can see you sending 10,000 troops to take on five men just so by percentage the body count on our side is low. That way, you can sleep well at night knowing that by volume we didn't lose as many men.

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GFY: Even now as I'm typing this, millions are being slaughtered and tortured throughout the world. We do business with China don't we? Look how they treat their people. The world is a fucked up place and we can't fight everywhere. We have to pick our battles. I hate what Stalin did. He was pure evil. BUT COULD WE HAVE TAKEN ON GERMANY AND RUSSIA TOO???? Because we fought Germany, does that mean we have to love what Stalin was doing? Besides, Hitler was trying to take over the world.



And Stalin wasn't? Hello, sprinkle genie! He was trying to spread communism all over the world, and he was going to be the head dictator of the new communist world.

I'm not saying we had to love what Stalin did, but we shouldn't have given in the blind eye treatment we did.

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GFY: Yes, they are bad. You seem to be upset that instead of fighting Hitler, we didn't fight Stalin! You seem to be upset that unless every evil person is defeated, then we can't fight one evil murderer. We ended up defeating their whole fucking system anyhow. (Of course, it's still a mess over there, and getting worse. Another topic for another time.)



I'm not upset that we didn't fight Stalin. I'm upset that we accepted his mass killings and got all huffy at Hitler for doing so.

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GFY: I SAID ABOVE THAT THAT WAS WRONG. I WAS THE ONE WHO MENTIONED IT FIRST!!! But I compared OUR concentration camps to the German's concentration camps. The comparison is ridiculous. See above.



The comparison is silly, eh? Really, how is it silly? A forced labor/prison camp is a forced labor/prison camp. We didn't kill our prisoners, or so the government says. In that aspect we were no better than the evil we were so bent on stopping.

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GFY: Right here you're showing your own hatred for America. It's as obvious as the screen I'm looking at. I never said America was perfect. I never said America doesn't make mistakes. I said that America, when looked at throught the prism of history, has been and IS the greatest country ever. I'm surprised you didn't mention the worst American evil of all: Slavery.



If you want, I'll go off on a rant about slavery. I kept it out of this because this is about World War 2 now, not slavery.

Once again, I am not saying I hate America. I want to know what is giving you this idea.

As for the greatest nation ever, my money is on the Roman Empire. So much better than ours.

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GFY: I figured it out. I'm standing for and by the United States of America and all the good it has done and the greatness it represents in world history. I'm also standing up and sticking up for it when it's knocked and bashed. And I still think that a South Korean living in this country should be grateful to its citizens and not treat us like shit.



So far all you've stood for is a fierce sense of foolish national pride, racism, and the unethical treatment of American citizens during a time of war.

Why should any foreigner feel grateful to the citizens of the United States? Because we poke fun at them? Because we give them shifty glances because they're different?

I don't think so.



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The Ford Company was involed in the development of thier tanks before the war..




Yep. Before, and during.

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If anyones interested here are a couple of links to the Henry Ford/Nazi thing;
http://www.bulldognews.net/issues_ford_slave_labor.html
http://www.freep.com/business/labor21_19991221.htm



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what a fucking stupid topic. not only do you moron americans (not all) have no idea of history because your school system is a joke but your arrogance is amazing. i wish one day a president would say , hey lets blow our country up and see how the world copes with it ! that would be a day i d kneel down and pray to god : "thank you big one up there ... amen"
YOU KNOW SHIT ABOUT THE WORLD OUTSIDE
I HOPE SOMEDAY YOU LL GET IT
it is strange that you always see it as a personal attack .. but then again i say to myself: what did you expect from morons

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Originally posted by Anne:
what a fucking stupid topic. not only do you moron americans (not all) have no idea of history because your school system is a joke but your arrogance is amazing. i wish one day a president would say , hey lets blow our country up and see how the world copes with it ! that would be a day i d kneel down and pray to god : "thank you big one up there ... amen"
YOU KNOW SHIT ABOUT THE WORLD OUTSIDE
I HOPE SOMEDAY YOU LL GET IT
it is strange that you always see it as a personal attack .. but then again i say to myself: what did you expect from morons



My, your arrogance is simply sparkeling this evening. Can I interest you in a towel?



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