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In the end it's the strong leader (perceived or real) who wins.



It's the better puppet who gets party support. Then there's nothing else to vote for.

Trump and Clinton were two awful options. I'm not sure we got the worse of the two, but the fact that either of them was an option is an indication that voting no longer matters.

Seriously, I don't see a correction that is a positive for the American citizen unless there is an upheaval in the modern caste system that is developing in the US.

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So, yeah, if everyone is saying the above, why isn't anyone actually doing anything about it? Aren't you 'mericans supposed to be all gung-ho and stuff?

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This is a castrated society.

I'm fortunate that both of my children will likely live overseas. I've been pondering a move for a decade or so.

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The problems are global. I think many people are looking to the USA to see what happens next. I'm not sure they're following the right leads though, if the amount of batshit insane politicians being given a legitimate platform is anything to go by.

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Looking to the US for leadership quit making anything resembling sense when Kennedy died. At least during his presidency we had the illusion of moving toward progressiveness.

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It's the better puppet who gets party support. Then there's nothing else to vote for.

Trump and Clinton were two awful options. I'm not sure we got the worse of the two, but the fact that either of them was an option is an indication that voting no longer matters.

Seriously, I don't see a correction that is a positive for the American citizen unless there is an upheaval in the modern caste system that is developing in the US.



Spot fucking on.

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So, yeah, if everyone is saying the above, why isn't anyone actually doing anything about it? Aren't you 'mericans supposed to be all gung-ho and stuff?


Because only one out of every one thousand people is worth a damn.

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As far as I can tell, very few of your paid representatives are actually doing their jobs. Looks like a big pissing contest on the tax payer's dime.

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As far as I can tell, very few of your paid representatives are actually doing their jobs. Looks like a big pissing contest on the tax payer's dime.

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From what I can tell, useless governments are a global problem.

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As far as I can tell, very few of your paid representatives are actually doing their jobs. Looks like a big pissing contest on the tax payer's dime.


I'd disagree. They are doing the jobs they are paid to do. Just not the one they were elected to do.

And when you draw two salaries, which master do.you serve?

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That's a good point. Money and power. Gahhh... I don't even know where to start.

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Power and the money. Money and the power. Minute after minute. Hour after hour.

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Imagine living in North Korea.

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The tenor of this conversation is a bit more fatalistic than realistic to my mind. I do think that the path to effective change rests with the electorate itself. If people stop tolerating things like gerrymandering, corruption, and flagrantly lying politicians then politicians would be forced to change to suit our expectations.

I don't have a sense inevitable political doom.

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I hope it's fatalistic, I really do, but the apathy and inaction worries me as "the path to effective change rests with the electorate" who aren't doing a damn thing. So yes, IFF people stop tolerating everything, then things would be better. When are they going to stop tolerating all that stuff, Mr Optimistic?

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I'm not saying they will anytime soon as that indeed could be considered optimistic! I suppose an optimistic *cough* read of Trump's election victory is as a sign that people are have reached the end of their patience with the status quo. I don't really think that's a good explanation for why Trump won, but I don't think it describes the attitude of some folks who voted for him.

Unfortunately, I don't know how to predict when people will have had enough.

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If there is anything the last election taught me, it's that there's a lot of shit I don't understand. I've also been expecting the market to go boarish for quite a while now. My crystal ball must be faulty. I want a refund, damnit!

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I suppose an optimistic *cough* read of Trump's election victory is as a sign that people are have reached the end of their patience with the status quo.



Until people start making a coordinated push to get corporations out of Congress (lobbyists, PACs, etc.), I won't be able to assume anyone has an idea what is really going on, let alone what a status quo might actually look like.

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Coordinate a push then.

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I'm not a hero. I'm not even a very patriotic American. I like the idea of bugging out and having no homeland for a while, and have been trying to decide what countries have reasonable citizenship requirements and are relatively Roman in legal terms.

Like I said, my kids will probably both live in either South Korea or Japan, and the rest of my family is either end of life, or likes the direction things are going.

Doing what I think needs doing to correct the course of US history would require becoming a wanted man. That isn't worth it to me. I just want to live long enough to die free.

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I don't think you need to be a hero to make a difference. If everyone who bitched about politics phoned their local representatives rather than posting about it on social media then public pressure could make a reasonable impact. They are there to represent you, not fanny about with a glass of scotch in one hand and a cigar in the other, bolstering their own retirement funds. Make their jobs as difficult as possible and they'll either have to act, or leave.

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The people who are in positions to make substantive changes are not local. Even state reps a pretty far down the food chain since state's rights have been thoroughly pruned.

I have to admit that I have given up. They played a long game and it's paid off. To be a good American these days you have to be proud to be in debt up to your grandkids' eyeballs and uneducated enough to be religious.

If you want to know what our politicians are like, watch the scene in Religulous where Maher (a festering gash, to be sure) interviews a senator or representative. If they aren't just like him, they're damn close.

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Shit rolls downhill, so when pushing it back up, you're fighting gravity to be sure, but that's a hell of a whole lot more proactive than just wallowing in a pit of it.

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I said I GIVE UP MOTHERFUCKER. #gotdamnkiwi

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