The problems are global. I think many people are looking to the USA to see what happens next. I'm not sure they're following the right leads though, if the amount of batshit insane politicians being given a legitimate platform is anything to go by.
The tenor of this conversation is a bit more fatalistic than realistic to my mind. I do think that the path to effective change rests with the electorate itself. If people stop tolerating things like gerrymandering, corruption, and flagrantly lying politicians then politicians would be forced to change to suit our expectations.
I hope it's fatalistic, I really do, but the apathy and inaction worries me as "the path to effective change rests with the electorate" who aren't doing a damn thing. So yes, IFF people stop tolerating everything, then things would be better. When are they going to stop tolerating all that stuff, Mr Optimistic?
I'm not saying they will anytime soon as that indeed could be considered optimistic! I suppose an optimistic *cough* read of Trump's election victory is as a sign that people are have reached the end of their patience with the status quo. I don't really think that's a good explanation for why Trump won, but I don't think it describes the attitude of some folks who voted for him.
Unfortunately, I don't know how to predict when people will have had enough.
If there is anything the last election taught me, it's that there's a lot of shit I don't understand. I've also been expecting the market to go boarish for quite a while now. My crystal ball must be faulty. I want a refund, damnit!
quote:Originally posted by tessellated I suppose an optimistic *cough* read of Trump's election victory is as a sign that people are have reached the end of their patience with the status quo.
Until people start making a coordinated push to get corporations out of Congress (lobbyists, PACs, etc.), I won't be able to assume anyone has an idea what is really going on, let alone what a status quo might actually look like.
I'm not a hero. I'm not even a very patriotic American. I like the idea of bugging out and having no homeland for a while, and have been trying to decide what countries have reasonable citizenship requirements and are relatively Roman in legal terms.
Like I said, my kids will probably both live in either South Korea or Japan, and the rest of my family is either end of life, or likes the direction things are going.
Doing what I think needs doing to correct the course of US history would require becoming a wanted man. That isn't worth it to me. I just want to live long enough to die free.
I don't think you need to be a hero to make a difference. If everyone who bitched about politics phoned their local representatives rather than posting about it on social media then public pressure could make a reasonable impact. They are there to represent you, not fanny about with a glass of scotch in one hand and a cigar in the other, bolstering their own retirement funds. Make their jobs as difficult as possible and they'll either have to act, or leave.
The people who are in positions to make substantive changes are not local. Even state reps a pretty far down the food chain since state's rights have been thoroughly pruned.
I have to admit that I have given up. They played a long game and it's paid off. To be a good American these days you have to be proud to be in debt up to your grandkids' eyeballs and uneducated enough to be religious.
If you want to know what our politicians are like, watch the scene in Religulous where Maher (a festering gash, to be sure) interviews a senator or representative. If they aren't just like him, they're damn close.