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Reduce minimum voting age to sixteen (16)?
Yes, sweet sixteen is the magic number.
No, and hell no!
There should be no minimum voting age.
Yes, but grasshoppa should pay a poal tax.
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J E B Stuart
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...Perhaps a sliding scale that weights a vote based on the voter's age. Say it starts at .33 at the earliest voting age, and increases linearly to 1.00 from 45 to 65, then diminishes over time by a factor of .973 per year. That would put them back to about .33 by the age of 105 to 110. 0.33 would be the minimum.

Sounds like gerrymandering to me.

Amen.

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Are you against all forms of gerrymandering?

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If a person's vote is only worth a percentage of someone else's, then to me, said person shouldn't be voting at all. Would you go to a doctor whose diploma is worth, say, 50% of another's?

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How are those two things the same?

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Are you against all forms of gerrymandering?

Of course not. That should be clear from my comments above.

Amen.

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It''s an analogy which compares two things that are not the same.

Let me try this: I can't trust a voter who doesn't have a full vote. No offense but this idea is just ridiculous.

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Regardless of whether one views the definition of gerrymandering restrictively or broadly, the aim is the same whether discussing boundaries, voter qualifications, or weight of a vote. Specifically, the aim is to enhance the likelihood of achieving favorable outcomes.

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Why can't you trust a voter with less than a full vote?

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...the aim is to enhance the likelihood of achieving favorable outcomes.

Amen.



Well, yes and no. When district lines are drawn to ensure a certain distribution of voters of a particular type fall within a particular boundary, that is a direct attempt to affect a desired outcome.

With what I'm proposing, it would affect all voters equally over the course of a life expectancy, regardless of where they live.

I'm not saying this is an ideal solution. I'd rather see an end to the electoral college, and an end to gerrymandering.

And an end to lobbyists paying politicians. And an end to private campaign funding. And an end to congressional tenure. et cetera

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quote:
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Why can't you trust a voter with less than a full vote?


Now that's a good idea. No full vote until age 30 for males and age 28 for women. If you have to ask why, that's why.

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Fat people should not be voting. There's just not enough money now to build bigger booths!


How about if we make fat people into voting booths.

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I look at it like this.
I'm not saying that all southerners are imbeciles.
We have them all over.
So let's add some more.
What can we lose that we haven't already lost?

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How about if we make fat people into voting booths.

So what you're saying is that we should take this lady and make her a voting booth. I'm afraid to ask where we enter this booth!



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I look at it like this.
I'm not saying that all southerners are imbeciles. ...


Of course you arent, grasshoppa.

Amen.

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I'm an imbecile and I'm proud of it and I'm a northerner.

Speaking of smart people, I'm getting a real kick out of that guy on Jeopardy who keeps winning and winning and winning and he's over a million five now. They're off for 2 weeks because they're doing a teacher's tournament so he'll be back in two weeks. A lot of the country are watching him. I'll bet he has a genius I.Q.

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James Holzer is a joy to watch. He has extraordinarily clear focus, recall and discipline.

Amen.

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He reminds me of Rizz, but not RiZZ.

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Who is Rizz?

Amen.

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I'd better not say publicly. Horrible consequences could result. You don't want that!

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Perhaps Ive just missed it. After all, one cant read everything. Well, I began this thread March 24th. At the time, it seemed to be a fairly hot issue. Interestingly, Ive not seen nor heard nary a peep on it in weeks.

Amen.

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I can't see any reason to lower the voting age other than that some people think they might attract more votes if they target the younger market. I've heard others argue that we should lower the age to attract "fresh" representation and more AOCs. I really don't want more AOCs, she makes me facepalm almost as much as Trump.

Weighted votes don't appeal to me (the process of selecting whose votes count more than others is bound to be problematic).


I'd like to see something like John Rawls' veil of ignorance, so that when people voted they would do so as intelligent individuals, well educated on the ways of government, but blind to their own position in society (this eliminates self-interest and a bunch of other problems). Someone create a pill that can do that.

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...I'd like to see something like John Rawls' veil of ignorance ... .

Funny, that made me think of the Milgram experiment. What if the original experiment was modified so that the electric current would randomly be administered to either the button pusher, or the anonymous person in the other room?

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I have a fundamentally grim view of human nature and tend to assume that self-interest will cause a more predictable response than expecting people to restrain themselves out of concern for others. I didn't really understand the Milgram experiment though. Social psychology isn't really my forte and I didn't really come to an opinion one way or another about the "sheepiness" of the experiment - by that I mean would the results indicating humans are hardwired to follow instructions (even with negative outcomes) be more influenced by additional self-interest? How would fight or flight work with this? In the example shock they were given, would it be clearly understood that the shock could be a lot worse (minor pain would not influence that many, but more severe pain might). I don't think there are many ethical ways to test the additional questions the Milgrim experiment raises. However, if we look at human suffering as a catalyst for revolution, then I would say that yes, self-interest would play a large role. I'd like to think empathy would too, but I''m not convinced.

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Heh, this proposal appears to have gone the way of the Dodo Bird, at least, for the current Presidential election cycle. Nevertheless, I was rooting around on the issue today and I thought this was interesting:

...Several countries have had at least some experiences with lowering the voting age. Austria has for about a decade allowed 16-year-olds to vote in most countrywide elections. Scotland allowed 16-year-olds to vote in the 2014 independence referendum and has since extended this to elections for the Scottish Parliament. Since 1988, Brazil has allowed 16-year-olds to vote in all elections, including presidential elections; from age 18 on, voting is compulsory. .... From here.

Among other things, I had no idea voting has been compulsory in Brazil since 1988. I think I may look at that some more later on.

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Well, election campaigns ARE about popularity and swaying the ignorant masses, so from that perspective, bring it on. I do, however, feel that a certain level of political understanding comes with working and living in "the real world" - if anything I would prefer to raise the age to 22.

Edit : I forgot why I came. I was gonna say, as a fat chick who likes having people in me, this voting booth thing sounds a ok.

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