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Notwithstanding the thread topic, muffy, have you and Piney created anything?

You know, humans share 98% of their DNA with Kiwis.

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If by "created anything", you mean a fetus, then no. We have not gone down that route. We're both past our prime and Piney didn't want "a little mong". My boy will be 24 soon, so I'm feeling more like a grandma than a mother these days :/

Did you know the kiwi egg is freaking huge? Piney and I went to a Kiwi sanctuary and they had a skeleton with an egg in it and there was literally no room for anything else. I don't even know where the organs were supposed to go. Must be one hell of a chore to push that out.

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So, I tried to give you a point for knowledge, and the asylum returned a page with the following text:

I am a sixteen year girl who loves to poop her pants. My parents were on a business trip together for a week. So on the first day I was alone, I wanted to do the most ultimate crap in my pants that anyone has ever done. I ate 3 chilli dogs, 1 jalepeno pepper, 3 cheese burgers and 2 slices of pepperoni pizza.

I chilled for an hour and my stomach began to rumble, I still wasnt ready yet. I ate 3 more chilli dogs. (I am not fat if anyone is wandering I jus eat a lot, I'm a size 4 and i have a j-lo booty). Anyways the rumblings became worse and i wanted to poop but it didnt feel big enough. So I made a jalepeno beef and bean borito. I said to myself this will do the trick.

After I ate it the rumbling was unbearable, so i topped it of with 2 laxatives and this medicine to make your poop come out in seconds.

Its time, so I bent over in front of my mirror and let it go.

It exploded ferociously in my extremeley tight white sweat pants. I just enjoyed the release of all this crap in my pants. My pants quickly filled with warm, wet, and mushy poop. It was literally exploding i my pants for 5 minutes.

Then it stopped to my disapointment, and when i looked at the mirror (still bent over,) my whole butt area was completely brown and was a giant lump. When i stood up and looked in the mirror, all the poop in my pants made butt literally look like i had a Buffy the Body Booty, except it was filled with poop. I walked around my house the rest of the day with this big booty chunk of poop in my pants.

In looking at it I wished my butt wast that big. I might even do this again and cover it up to make it seem I have a bigger butt at school.

Then That same night I did it again still with the poop before in my pants and I loved the huge chunkiness. None of it ever slipped down my leg because I stapped my legs tightly with belts.

Hoped you liked this story and you want to try it, Hit me up if u do and tell me how it feels, BYE

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Looks like a page out of Dingle's diary.

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Dingle's fucked up.

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Dingle eats what dingle buries. That was his origin story, no?

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Amen.

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I think he died.

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JEB, I suppose the reason men don't really get a say is that they never actually have to pull the trigger. It's easy to have a hypothetical point of view when you know the hypothetical situation will never apply to you. ...

Muffy, I used the hypothetical to help illustrate why I think I understand The Pope’s thinking behind his analogy. That’s it.

That said, in my subsequent response to fubar, it’s clear my line in the sand on abortion isn’t nearly as sharp and clear as The Pope’s.

Your comment about the ease of having hypothetical points of view when they will never apply reminds me of one of the tactics frequently used to dismiss caucasians when they attempt to discuss racism. If we follow your statement on hypotheticals to its logical conclusions, it follows that barren females who might offer hypotheticals when discussing abortion must also be summarily dismissed since it would never apply to them.

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That's a fair point and I'm sorry my post went in the direction it did, it wasn't really aimed at you, it was more mental diarrhoea of the thoughts I have been having as this issue has unfolded. I'm gobsmacked that these States have gone the way they have and in the manner they have.

In fairness, I think men should have a say in reproduction and parenthood in general, it shouldn't be solely the woman's domain.

On the abortion issue itself, I was more expressing why I think that it *has* to be the case that men can't tell women what to do with their bodies, but I also think it can't be the case that women tell other women what to do with their bodies. I suppose my point was that you can't make a woman's decision for her until you've walked a mile in her shoes, which none of us has or can do. So it's not so much that I think men aren't entitled to an opinion on the issue (of course you are, it's a big issue that everyone will have a view on), it's just that I think the issue itself is so profoundly personal that we should all mind our own business.

The law acknowledges that people should have freedom of religion etc as that is considered a profoundly personal issue, but what a woman does with her own body isn't? That just doesn't make a lick of sense to me.

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Interesting...sounds like she's putting it in the class of self-defence. Justifiable homicide. hrmmm.

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Interesting...sounds like she's putting it in the class of self-defence. Justifiable homicide. hrmmm.

Exactly. I stumbled across some more food for thought, today. Perhaps you’re familiar with the recent story about the teen mother who died as a result of the two Chicago women cutting out her baby from her womb with a butcher knife.

Well, the baby was on life support, but he just died. This is from the news story:

...Anthony Guglielmi said Friday that he expects both women will now be charged with murder in the baby's death. ...”. From here.

Amen.

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I wasn't familiar with that. How revolting.

Legally, I'd have to see a distinction though. I'm not sure how it works over in the good ol' USA, but here the legal definition of homicide requires that you kill a "person". Person is defined within the Crimes Act as someone who has "wholly proceeded from their mother's body in a living state" (or similar, going by memory here) - The basic gist of it being that abortion isn't homicide because fetuses aren't people. As far as I know, quite a few legal systems use this distinction to get around abortions being seen as culpable homicide. I suppose it works to a certain extent but does raise some interesting problems whereby if you punch a pregnant woman and cause her to miscarry, strictly speaking, it wouldn't be "murder" in the ordinary sense of being culpable homicide (although other laws have been put in place to make this a crime in other ways). I assume this is what the woman in the video you shared was discussing - how we don't consider it murder, but it is, but none-the-less it may fall into the class of justifiable homicide. So there's two sketchy legal issues to consider there.


The example of the baby cut out of the woman's stomach is different as it had "wholly proceeded from the mother's body in a living state", so now it's a person and the Crimes Act kicks in. However, I was uncertain from the article whether the baby's head was damaged when it was still halfway in - which raises all sorts of fascinating technicalities.

Theoretically, a prostaglandin-induced abortion would result in a viable fetus being expelled, at which point the person performing the abortion would have a duty of care to the baby to provided it with the necessities of life, rather than treat it as an abortion (this would also be a form of homicide). I hope this isn't the reason that the scrape and suck method is so popular (which is extremely unlikely to result in a viable fetus). Because of this legally problematic situation, I can see what the argument in favour of justifiable homicide may appeal to some. However, I can also see why people may prefer just to not acknowledge that a fetus is a person because that probably makes them feel more soft and fluffy about the whole mess.

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Yes, Muffy. And here’s a brain-twister that confounds the my-body-my-choice rationale:

A Queens couple that tried for years to get pregnant suffered the mother of all mix-ups once they finally succeeded — giving birth to someone else’s babies, thanks to a bungling Los Angeles fertility clinic, a stunning new lawsuit claims. ...”. From here.

That nightmare situation inevitably begs this question:

Did the Queens mother carrying implanted embryos that weren’t hers have the right to abort them if she had so chosen?

Amen.

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That's kind of like the mind bender they give you in law school about firing a gun out a window and accidentally shooting someone who has just jumped out of the window above you in order to commit suicide.

I suppose that strictly speaking if the mother gave birth to the embryos then most legal systems would define the resulting children as hers (by virtue of them popping out of her vagina - laws not really being complex enough to contemplate misplanted theoretical people).

Likewise, most abortion laws would permit abortion under your theoretical circumstances. That's not to say that it results in a morally correct outcome (if there is such a thing), but as we both know all too well, law and morality don't mash very well. Most moral constructs focus on whether "harm" has occurred, and "harm" is usually defined as making a person worse off than they otherwise would have been, which is again hard to apply to a fetus given they aren't usually considered a person (so we are back at that issue again).

It is difficult to weigh the arguments against making a woman carry embryos that weren't hers against the arguments about whether the biological parents should have some say regarding embryos implanted in someone else. Personally, I think the real issue is what happens to the babies? Who is going to ensure that babies born to people who don't want them are cared for? If you accept that the State has the right to control what a woman does with her uterus, do you accept that the State has an equal obligation to ensure the welfare of the children? A literal Nanny state.


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That's kind of like the mind bender they give you in law school about firing a gun out a window and accidentally shooting someone who has just jumped out of the window above you in order to commit suicide. ...

Heh, I think this is the mind bender you’re talking about :

On March 23, 1994, a medical examiner viewed the body of Ronald Opus and concluded that he died from a gunshot wound of the head caused by a shotgun. Investigation to that point had revealed that the decedent had jumped from the top of a ten-story building with the intent to commit suicide. (He left a note indicating his despondency.) As he passed the 9th floor on the way down, his life was interrupted by a shotgun blast through a window, killing him instantly. Neither the shooter nor the decedent was aware that a safety net had been erected at the 8th floor level to protect some window washers, and that the decedent would most likely not have been able to complete his intent to commit suicide because of this.
Ordinarily, a person who sets out to commit suicide and ultimately succeeds, even if the mechanism might not be what they intended, is defined as having committed suicide. That he was shot on the way to certain death nine stories below probably would not change his mode of death from suicide to homicide, but the fact that his suicide intent would not have been achieved under any circumstance caused the medical examiner to feel that he had homicide on his hands.

Further investigation led to the discovery that the room on the 9th floor whence the shotgun blast emanated was occupied by an elderly man and his wife. He was threatening her with the shotgun because of an interspousal spat and became so upset that he could not hold the shotgun straight. Therefore, when he pulled the trigger, he completely missed his wife, and the pellets went through the window, striking the decedent.

When one intends to kill subject A but kills subject B in the attempt, one is guilty of the murder of subject B. The old man was confronted with this conclusion, but both he and his wife were adamant in stating that neither knew that the shotgun was loaded. It was the longtime habit of the old man to threaten his wife with an unloaded shotgun. He had no intent to murder her; therefore, the killing of the decedent appeared then to be accident. That is, the gun had been accidentally loaded.

But further investigation turned up a witness that their son was seen loading the shotgun approximately six weeks prior to the fatal accident. That investigation showed that the mother (the old lady) had cut off her son's financial support, and her son, knowing the propensity of his father to use the shotgun threateningly, loaded the gun with the expectation that the father would shoot his mother. The case now becomes one of murder on the part of the son for the death of Ronald Opus.

Now comes the exquisite twist. Further investigation revealed that the son, Ronald Opus himself, had become increasingly despondent over the failure of his attempt to get his mother murdered. This led him to jump off the ten-story building on March 23, only to be killed by a shotgun blast through a 9th story window.

The medical examiner closed the case as a suicide.
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It’s a dandy. 👍🏻

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... If you accept that the State has the right to control what a woman does with her uterus, do you accept that the State has an equal obligation to ensure the welfare of the children? A literal Nanny state.


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Muffy, I think the questions are: why would the State have the right to control what a woman does with her uterus?; and, to what extent? And I think this inquiry summons the common law principle of parens patriae.

A true nanny state would be a grasshoppa utopia - a wonderland where condiments are delivered daily to his door, while he merrily pursues his life calling of grazing Nanny’s generous bounty and making custom turds.🤓

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I hear there is a good market for those custom turds amongst the hipster crowd. You can trade them for beard oil made from sustainably harvested excretions collected while rock climbing in temperature-controlled gym/yoghurt bars.

When parens patriae is invoked in this context I'm afraid I see it more as a political tool being used for the good of the State, rather than the people it's supposed to protect. Really, nobody gives a fuck about the babies, or the mothers who can't afford to feed them, especially when it hits them in the pocket.

Y'all can't be socialists when it comes to harvesting my womb and libertarians when it comes to raising the crop.


Speaking of baby farms, it's interesting that people who want children in the USA would rather spend $50,000 to buy one from China than work with the various domestic agencies that just can't seem to get shit done.


Perhaps you could have free healthcare etc for pregnant women who don't want their babies funded by selling those babies to people who want them. It's not that much more expensive than a couple of rounds of IVF. Of course, the model would only work if hospitals were no longer allowed to charge $100,000 for a couple of banana bags of sugar/salt solution and a bandaid, so it's probably doomed.

Maybe Trump should put tarriffs on the babies.

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They all grow up to be cocks, LF. ...

These Indians go to great lengths to make sure of that:

...Despite the fact that gender-selective abortions were outlawed by the Indian government in 1994, the practice still occurs. This is why so many baby girls were “missing” from those northern Indian villages. And it’s just one example of a much larger trend across the country.

While many other nations have either a balanced gender ratio or one that tips in favor of females, India’s population is skewed. As of 2018, there were only 92 females for every 100 males in the country. According to the data, India is home to 63 million fewer women than it should be.


And. Dear. God. Nari mata?:

“...The Banchara have a centuries-old tradition called "nari mata." According to this tradition, the oldest daughter of each family is expected to become a sex worker — sometimes as young as 12 years old.

In India’s Banchara community, women are considered valuable only if they provide financially for their families. Although these females were allowed to live, they are thrust into a life of pain and abuse. They might not go “missing” at birth, but they will live their lives on the outskirts of society with no voice, no choice and no freedom.

The Banchara have a centuries-old tradition called "nari mata." According to this tradition, the oldest daughter of each family is expected to become a sex worker — sometimes as young as 12 years old.

The reason? To pay for her brothers' marriage dowries so they can make a good match and go on to have more sons. ...


From here.

Amen.

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Yeah, I try to be understanding of other cultures, but fuck that. I don't really want to start my Indian rant or I'll come off far more racist and man hating than I actually am, but jebus... that's some dumb ass shit. Males being preferred is a global problem though, albeit worse in some places. I don't get it. I'm smarter and smell better than most of them, whats the issue? Really, I want to know. Apart from men being slightly physically stronger in most cases, what is the fucking issue?!?

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Piney, big T and I went camping for a couple of days at a beautiful place right next to a waterfall and river that flowed out to the ocean, it was pretty magical. I'd booked early and got the best spot, right on a little outcrop so that water/beach was around us on three sides. Fucking fantastic.

All was going well in our little chunk of paradise until a large family of Indians showed up. They had booked a couple of sites behind us.

Our serene little holiday was interrupted with loud foreign chattering and horrendous bollywood style music. This set my teeth on edge but I figured I could tolerate it and we just set in for an evening of playing Settlers of Catan and drinking large quantities of single malt whisky.

Alas, the Indian family (which included uncles, aunts, grandparents...i.e. a whole lot of people) could not seem to figure out how to erect their sunshade/pergola thing. It had four poles, a roof, some fabric... not exactly difficult, but apparently they couldn't manage this, or fishing... I got the impression they were camp virgins.

The problems started when after they set up camp (noisily), they didn't secure their pergola. The downside of waterfront camping is that it can get a little windy, which it did. Our pleasant game of Catan was interrupted by a horrendous crashing sound as their pergola was uplifted by the wind and crash landed on my car. We went out to assess the damage. There was a small ding on the hood, which annoyed me quite a lot. Piney is a lot nicer than I am though and he suggested we not worry about it too much. He spoke to the man who seemed to be in charge at their camp and offered to secure their pergola for them. He did so, and him and the Indian guy were all smiles. The Indian guy didn't even apologize to me, but rather to Piney (it was my damn car). I think that annoyed me more than the car damage did. However, I tried to remain cool, calm and collected as I guess it was an easy incorrect assumption to make.

The Indian family then sat down to start fishing, one of them did a spectacularly bad cast, sending the hook right on to the top of our tent (my tent), damn near ripping the roof.

By this time I was pretty annoyed, being forced to listen to bollywood crap, had my car damaged, no apology and I was a little drunk I kind of lost my shit completely and started yammering at the Indian guy about him being an asshoole and damaging my stuff.

The Indian guy just completely dismissed me and, again, spoke to Piney (who really is a LOT nicer than me and doesn't like confrontation). So rather than getting the piece of meat I was hoping for, the two of them amicably agreed to just let things slide, again.

So, here we were, camping in my tent, on a campsite I paid for, next to my car, with my stuff being damaged, and the Indian prick wouldn't even acknowledge my existence or worthiness to apologize to, but rather just looked at Piney like he needed to learn to keep the little woman under control.

I tell ya, if Piney hadn't been there to calm me down, my K-bar would have been used for more than just cutting nylon that day. I almost regret it.

They have absolutely no respect for women.

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El Salvador rape victim accused of abortion cleared in murder retrial

...El Salvador is one of three Central American nations with total bans on abortion. Women convicted of having abortions face sentences of 2 to 8 years.

But women who turn up at public hospitals following a miscarriage are sometimes accused of having killed the fetus and charged with aggravated homicide, which carries a sentence of 30 to 40 years. Such punishments often fall on poor, young women and victims of rape. ...


Story here.

Amen.

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