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J E B Stuart
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Does MJ damage young brains?

Frankly, I don’t use the stuff. That said, a recent opinion piece said:

...Numerous studies show that marijuana can have a deleterious impact on cognitive development in adolescents, impairing executive function, processing speed, memory, attention span and concentration. The damage is measurable with an I.Q. test. Researchers who tracked subjects from childhood through age 38 found a consequential I.Q. decline over the 25-year period among adolescents who consistently used marijuana every week. In addition, studies have shown that substantial adolescent exposure to marijuana may be a predictor of opioid use disorders. ...”. From here.

Amen.

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I believe it.

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I'd believe some of it.

I'm still pro legalisation though.

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...I'm still pro legalisation though.

I’m neither for, nor against, legalization, per se. Rather, what I wholeheartedly support are the Constitutional powers reserved unto the individual sovereign States to make determinations such as this.

It’ll be interesting to see if the day comes when the Feds move against those States that have essentially given the Tenth Amendment finger to the federal government.

Amen.

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Yes, that would be quite interesting. I struggle with understanding fed v state stuff. I have no context. But, from what I've seen, the people who do know what they are talking about (such as yourself) have a hard time packing it out. Sounds like a giant headache more than anything. However, should you care to break out your thoughts on what it would look like, I would be really interested in reading that.

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When the republicans grasp the profit and tax potential of cannabis, it will be legal to consume, but illegal to grow, a la Phillip Morris.

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Yes, that would be quite interesting. I struggle with understanding fed v state stuff. I have no context. ...

Muffy, that you would struggle with understanding it is not surprising. To your credit, you’re honest about it. Sadly, at least from where I sit, the overwhelming majority of US citizens probably understand less about their own government than do you, a citizen of NZ. And it’s a dead-cinch bet that I understand less about the NZ government than you understand of ours. 😉

IMHO, one of the best primers on US government is John C. Calhoun’s “A Discourse on the Constitution and Government of the United States”. The Discourse begins on page 108. If you’re interested, Calhoun’s Disquisition on Government is included in the book link and is also a superb read.

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Any substance will have an impact during the growth stage of an organism, so it's believable that pot might have a negative impact, but it could also have a positive impact as well. Nevertheless, kids are going to get pot whether it is legal or not because that's what kids do. In fact, I'd wager that, after marijuana has been legal for a while and has become "acceptable", fewer kids will be interested in using it.

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I understand a big part of the present concern arises from the fact that the MJ of today is exponentially more potent than the MJ of yesteryear.

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the overwhelming majority of US citizens probably understand less about their own government than do you, a citizen of NZ.


Thanks, but to be fair to others, I did have US professors for both constitutional law and civil liberties when I studied them (also evidence, weirdly, being a US lawyer turned NZ academic seems to be a thing). If some of it didn't rub off, I probably wouldn't have deserved my degree.

Interestingly, all three of them made a point that despite NZs lack of constitution, they very much got the sense that individual liberty was given more value in NZ than the USA.

I expect it would take you all of 5 minutes to unravel NZ politics and government JEB, there's not a lot to it (small country means we don't have the time or resources to pfaff about with too much bollocks). Here, it's all about accountability. If you piss off your constitutents then they throw buckets of cow shit and dildos at you (really, they do).

Thanks for the link, looks like a good read.

Sadly, as I get older, I realise more and more that the academic theories on how shit should work very rarely matches up with what actually happens.

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I'd wager that, after marijuana has been legal for a while and has become "acceptable", fewer kids will be interested in using it.

I suspect you're right. Look at the big deal they made about vaping and how that seems to have made it more attractive to the "cool" kids. Really, you need to use reverse psychology on teenagers, stubborn little monsters that they are.

I went the other route with Big T. I took him to a pot shop in Washington, bought him a few bits and pieces. He had a pleasant time getting high with some adult company and got that out of his system with no residual interest in it. I think getting high with his mother took out the "I'm a rebel" factor.

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...I expect it would take you all of 5 minutes to unravel NZ politics and government JEB, there's not a lot to it (small country means we don't have the time or resources to pfaff about with too much bollocks)....

...Sadly, as I get older, I realise more and more that the academic theories on how shit should work very rarely matches up with what actually happens.


Muffy, there is a key word in your comments ~ smaller. Sadly, our Framers would not recognize the massively enormous leviathan our federal government became.

There is one issue (among many) that blows up from time to time after close Presidential elections, namely, the Electiral College. If you do read Calhoun’s Discourse, you will encounter the term concurrent majority. It was one of the things that helped me understand the why of the EC. Again, keep that word “smaller” in mind.

Amen.

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