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Post For RizZ, little punk ass!! >:(

I just wanted to let you know, I found your thread in IOD to be absolutely repulsive. Not to mention stupid, and irresponsible.

As a tattoo artist who has spent a long damn time learning, practicing, taking all kinds of shit and abuse, to have someone such as yourself post images of a home-made tattoo in progress (with toxic PAINT no less), I can tell you that it's people like you that give professionals in the trade a bad name. It's people like you that will end up getting (or giving) hepatitis or any number of blood borne deseases, then go on to sing the evils of tattooing. You give the people of the industry a bad name, and personally, I think that's pretty fucking lousy, because odds are, you don't even give a shit.

I think it was Karen who said you were super smart, intelligent, and all that. In one post, you proved her wrong.

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it was non-toxic paint, anthem.
everything else, I cant speak on. however, I will say that nick is not stupid. careless or nuts maybe, but not stupid.


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i can attest

he is nuts

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I have to go with Anth3m on this one and I totally disagree with you, Karen.
It is completely stupid. WHat makes you think it is non toxic in that application? Does it say on the bottle "Safe to drink or inject under the skin after 13 years"? May products are labeled as nontoxic but they mean IF EATEN, not injected. The manufacturers have assumed that one might have enough intelligence to refrain from injecting their product. For one, it does say Fabric Paint right on the label, not Injectable fabric paint. The purpose of the nontoxic label is in case someone (children come to mind here, not someone RiZZ's age) might DRINK it.
With any luck, it may render him sterile. You can figure out why I say that.



There is no telling what the chemicals that this is composed of may break down into after sitting for that long.

That post AND RiZZ are prime candidates for the Darwin Award.

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quote:
Originally posted by karen:
it was non-toxic paint, anthem.




Point?

Even tattoo ink is toxic if it's not mixed right. And they use "non toxic" to refer to swallowing it. There's a difference between that and having it injected into your skin. Skin can react to inks in so many different ways.
Anyways, he said the shit was 13 years old. Hello? I wouldn't paint my house with paint that old.

I'm sorry Karen, I've known you for a while now, and with that in mind, I feel fine in telling you - The kid has alot of growing up to do. I don't like him. I don't *hate* him mind you, but he's an idiot.

I've tried three times to figure out a way to be nice about it and erased each sentence.... The plain and simple truth is, he acts like a 10 year old, and the reason why you and other women on this forum rush to defend him is because he's a child. Women always flock and protect children. It's in their nature.

Blah..

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Also, I just wanted to add the following, taken from the website of Albert Jeffers, or "Acidbaby" as he goes by online - and when it comes to ink, this dude knows his shit:

"In the age of the tattoo boom, popularity and interest in the art form has spawned more artists and supply companies than the industry ever could imagine. Like any other grass-roots industry, mass production has diluted more traditional forms of learning the craft, such as an oral tradition passed down through generations of tattooists.

With so few Old-Timers left, and even fewer willing to provide any tangible information on the tattoo process, many younger artists have jumped in blindly, believing that if they are ordering a product off the shelves, it must be a safe high quality product.

When you ask an artist what is in the pigment he uses, you’ll usually get a stock reply, such as "vegetable dye". There are very few permanent, safe vegetable dyes on the market made for any artistic uses. This lack of knowledge on the part of tattooists has , to many clients’ dismay, caused sometimes irreparable damage to skin.

Most tattoo pigments are made from metal salts, that is oxidizing certain metals and elements to produce a color change. Ever see the copper roof on a church turn green? Well, if you have any green or blue in your body, it comes from copper. The only safe greens and blues on the market are made this way, cobalt being too toxic, and ultramarine unstable. These are called Copper Pthalocyanine pigments, painters and other craftsmen may be familiar with these pigments. Pthalocyanine pigments are approved by the FDA for use in contact lenses, surgical implants, and paint for infant furniture. While no pigments are regulated by the FDA for use in tattooing, these are widely accepted as safe, and I have not heard of one reaction in 11 years of tattooing.

The other pigments considered very safe are Black, most commonly Carbon Black, or Bone Black, which is India Ink, made from burning animal bones or kerosene, and collecting the soot. Purple/Violet, which is dioxazine/carbazole violet, yellows of the Arylide type, Napthol red , based on the solvent Naptha. Reds based on other materials may or may not cause scarring and reaction. Magenta is safe, but generally considered less lightfast and more unstable than other pigments. Oranges are considered safe, as are Zinc and Titanium white, Titanium being the superior white. Browns, even though they are often based on Oxides of Iron are also considered safe.

Keep in mind that many reds are questionable, often causing burning, scarring, or rashes. While this is rare, many reds can cause serious damage, especially those made from Oxides of Iron, and Mercury. Cinnabar reds cause reactions and scarring in a high proportion of the tattooed population. These are considered very unsafe and I've heard doctors advise patients to have the pigment removed after biopsy was performed.

Yellow is generally a safe pigment, but when used in high concentration, may burn and scar due to a change in PH under the skin. Yellow has always been a problem pigment, due to the fact that cutting the pigment load causes a lighter, more washed out hue.

Another concern in pigment toxicity has nothing to with the pigment at all, but more with the carrier, or liquid suspension. Most suspension is attained (dissolved) using alcohols and glycerides. The safest modern pigments being carried by Alcohol (methyl or ethyl) glycerine, and other glycols. Witch Hazel and Listerine may also be used. These products are FDA approved for human use in a variety of products, including foods, candies, antiseptics, and in the case of ethyl alcohols general rowdiness and drunken debauchery. I personally mix my own pigments with drinking vodka and glycerides and glycols.

Here’s the flipside….. propylene glycol is safe, ethylene glycol is antifreeze, this may kill you. Certain alcohols are denatured and these may burn you and cause general skin irritation…..now the clincher….some pigment manufacturers ship pigment in "aqueous suspension" i.e. the liquid is included. Pigment is VERY easy to apply to skin when solvents are present. Thus many pigments on the market smell musty, an indication of aldehyde compounds being present. Most of you may be aware of formaldehyde, or even glutaraldehyde, which exist only to denature (kill) proteins. Imagine what a disinfectant can do to your skin. These are present in many pigments, and can hurt you. The most disgusting and reputed cases are commonly described as ditches, where the subcutaneous layer of skin is eaten away by the aldehydes and the skin sinks, causing a reverse scar wherever the suspect pigments lay. I have also smelled strong ammonia odors from other pigments and being a skin irritant, I conclude ammonias are unsafe.

Due to the fact aldehydes and some solvent may be present in some tattoo ink, leads to another concern: polymerization of the pigment. Polymers are plastics and can and will have tendency to bind with each other and become a plastic solid under the skin. One symptom of polymerization has come to be known in the industry as "Deep Pore Syndrome" when the polymerization occurs ,it leaves pores and follicles as little islands in the plastic. Seen it before? I have lots of times, it’s not so much a reaction or irritation as it is a modification….plastics suck!

By no means, do I mean tattooing is unsafe. However I do believe it may be unsafe in the wrong hands. While I do believe most tattooists to be concerned, conscientious, and caring individuals, I must say that the oral tradition of tattoo is dead. Many of today’s artists think nothing of buying off the shelves as they would paint, canvas, or any other artist’s supplies. So choose your artist wisely and hope he/she is well informed.

Any and all questions are welcomed. Though I have little knowledge of the human body, being a tattoo guy and all, I am very interested to find who may have had chemical reactions and possibly help them in the search for a solution. My first advice is always visit a qualified dermatologist should problems arise. But if you do contact me, you may be armed with some information to inform your doctor, should he/she have any questions. My only agenda is to keep tattooing safe, and to provide any possible information that can keep my art safe and alive."

Albert B Jeffers III
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Anyways, my point is that even with inks meant for tattooing, there can be problems. Using fabric airbrushing paint? Not only is it stupid and foolish, but dangerous as well. Bragging about it is laughable.

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Im sure nick could care less about defending himself here, actually. I just dont agree with y'all saying he's stupid.
Nor does he act like a child. Maybe on here to a degree, but in person he is very much an adult.
I defend him not only because he is my BEST friend, but truly intelligent. Even smart people make stupid decisions.
I personally wouldnt use it either, but that's him. Not me. Not you. And I believe that the needle itself(not the gun) is new(he can correct me if Im wrong).
As far as teh paint goes, I agree that it's probably not a great idea to use it. I even said something to the effect to him. He likes it because the tattoo glows in black light with that paint.
No talking him out of it.Regardless, he has used that same ink months ago to start the tattoo, and there were no problems with it. Mayeb in the future, but as far as I can tell now... it's safe.
And yeah, it did say non-toxic on the label, but I agree that teh broken down compounds could have formed anything.
Im not defending his actions here, Im letting you know he's not stupid for taking a risk.



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i dont see a problem with what Rizz did.
its his body, so leave him alone already!
its not like he did it in his tatoo parlor, and posted pics to get customers!!!
leave the man alone.
and im not comming to his rescue because he is dumb, ill come to anyones rescue that wants to do stuff to thier bodies.
if the paint kills him, its his deal.

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interesting read, btw.

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well well it has come to my tattoo... well first off if my intellngence is rated by what I do to MY body well then i am a moron... i know all the risks to my tattoo and i like it that way i made the needle 20 mins befor it started and the gun has only done one tattoo (the one on my arm) i am fully aware the risks i take and quite frankly my dear i dont give a fuck and to add to the stupidity the guy that worked on it nver touched a tattoo gun nor has any tattoos of his own, not to mention he dosent have any art talint. i will be doing the rest of it live on cam and if it bothers anyone dont look... i didnt say "dont goto someone that has experince" or trying to take away from the art i did not say "this is the right way" if someoe was dumb enuff to do a tattoo my way then let them, i have no consept of life or pain nor do i think about the "futrue" because I DO NOT care. all that matters to me is my tattoo glows brighter in a black light than any poster i ever saw... no tattoo shop would ever use my ink so i have to go "jail house" my tattoo has cost me 0$ and 00cents after to care for it i put K-Y jelly on it (not good) now i at least put "tattoo goo" on it. now if there is more to say remember i do not care about my body, i wont live passed 35 anyhow so i'm gonna do anything i can till then if i die from my tattoo well then good, frees up more space in the forum

thank you for careing tho ; }


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also were the fuck am i going to get aids and hep and all that from... they dont flot in the air well

and i dont have sex so... were?

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no sex...
that would explain your crazy behavior!


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If it's on your body, fine, I don't give a shit. Stick your face in a frying pan for all I care.. Just don't post the shit. Other people see it, and attempt to do the same thing.

But it all really doesn't matter anyways, you'll just keep doing the same shit, keep putting it on the web for everyone to see, including those that shouldn't, and I will continue to think your'e an irrisponsible moron, and continue to have no respect for you whatsoever, and personally, I really hope that you wise the fuck up and quit trying to be so rebellious and putting yourself at risk, because one day, you WILL regret what you're doing.

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yeah it sux to be me someone even emailed me about this

From: "sean crofoot@mindspring.com" crofoot2@earthlink.net
To: rizz@bawx.org
Subject: dont ever
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 00:11:56 -0700
From crofoot2@earthlink.net Sat Apr 28 09:12:38 2001
User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022



you suck!!! you need to stop tring to tattoo right now...personally if i
new
you i would jerk a knot in your ass!!!





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If it's on your body, fine, I don't give a shit. Stick your face in a frying pan for all I care..

good

Just don't post the shit. Other people see it, and attempt to do the same thing.

if they do there morons in your opinion allready so call it "natural selection"

But it all really doesn't matter anyways, you'll just keep doing the same shit, keep putting it on the web for everyone to see, including those that shouldn't,

yup the finish of it will be live in a few days

and I will continue to think your'e an irrisponsible moron, and continue to have no respect for you whatsoever,

cool i didnt even know you exzisted till now we have never spoke (to my memory) not to mention this is the internet and it means less than real life to me

and personally, I really hope that you wise the fuck up and quit trying to be so rebellious and putting yourself at risk, because one day, you WILL regret what you're doing.

nope i wont regret it you know nothing of my past or what is allready wrong with me if i am lucky i will die when im 30 if not i have till im 35 tops i will have fun and i will do whatever it is that i deen nessisary to make my shot at life worth it... it may e stupid and pointless to you... but you are not me. i have nothing to look forward to so i say fuck it... have some fun now wile i got the time when i'm dead i'll worrie abut my helth



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If you want to screw yourself up, I say go for it. You obviously know the risks involved, just watch where you are rubbing that K-Y jelly. You don't want to give anyone the wrong idea

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quote:
Originally posted by karen:
I just dont agree with y'all saying he's stupid.
Nor does he act like a child. Maybe on here to a degree, but in person he is very much an adult.
I defend him not only because he is my BEST friend, but truly intelligent. Even smart people make stupid decisions.





I uuhhhhh.... Damn, I just am speechless here.
I wonder about people sometimes.



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quote:
Originally posted by karen:
I just dont agree with y'all saying he's stupid.
Nor does he act like a child. Maybe on here to a degree, but in person he is very much an adult.
I defend him not only because he is my BEST friend, but truly intelligent. Even smart people make stupid decisions.





So, by this line of reasoning then, if RizZ here got nice and plastered, got into a car, and took off down the highway and killed or crippled someone, you would stand behind his actions? Or if he made it home without hurting a soul, you'd defend that too, on the grounds that it's his body, and if he wants to put himself at risk, it's his buisness?

Karen, I really have to disagree with you on this one. Chelle too. Sorry, but I really really do.

If he wasn't completely full of shit, he wouldn't be doing it live on the net, posting pictures, or whatever tha fuck he's doing. It would be just for him. But he's not.

He's a full of shit kid, and he's the reason why tattooing has a bad rep, and he makes it just *that* much harder to eke out a living. Because people think of HIM when they think about tattooing being unsafe. And that's just a big ass hurt on the tattoo industry.

I'm curious as to what PMG thinks of all this... Considering she's just getting into the industry herself.

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that car analogy is bunk. he isnt going to kill anyone else by tattooing himself with glow in the dark fabric paint.

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quote:
Originally posted by Gorilla Biscuit:
that car analogy is bunk. he isnt going to kill anyone else by tattooing himself with glow in the dark fabric paint.


aggreed.
justin is a sexy little fucker.

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Like I said, "If he wasn't completely full of shit, he wouldn't be doing it live on the net, posting pictures, or whatever tha fuck he's doing. It would be just for him. But he's not."



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BTW, I officially quit and walk out of this thread before everyone ends up pissed at me and calling ME an asshole because I said something not nice about poor Rizz.

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I'm getting one that glows in the dark.
We don't need no stinkin' black lights.

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The other pigments considered very safe are Black, most commonly Carbon Black, or Bone Black, which is India Ink, made from burning animal bones or kerosene, and collecting the soot.

Hmmmmm.

We have a stray cat around here that is disposable.

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Why not let him show off his tattoo a bit? Everyone wants a pat on the back, why are you against RiZZ getting one?

If someone tries the same thing and dies from it, chalk it up to natural selection.


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