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In the event of a nuclear strike on the U.S.

I assume that if it happened today, the device would be rather inexpensively made and crude, perhaps no more than a few megatons, or enough to blow up a few city blocks (since I assume it would be the handiwork of terrorists who have just discovered the basics). So around the (what is that dead zone area called?) ..center.. those who survive would instigate mass confusion, panic, etc. On a national level (let's assume it hits a major U.S. city), I assume the airlines would be grounded again, Congress and most of the other non-security functions of the Federal government would be shut down, the president and his team would be escorted to an underground bunker, and over the next few days many shops would horde what they have, making cash money almost worthless.

What would be interesting about it would be the fact that, contrary to so many years of intense theorizing, there would be no immediate retaliation, since there would be no clear enemy to retaliate against. Additionally, once the terrorists crossed the threshold of learning how to make and deploy one, they wouldn't be far from doing it again and again with ever larger more deadly bombs, until the United States, not knowing where to strike, would literally be subdued into a state of passive anarchy. World markets would come to a halt, and humanity would descend into a midieval barter system with tribal warlords and wandering clans.

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a few kilotons would be enough, the bomb that nuked horoshima was 12-15 kilotons.
as for that total panic, money worthless worst disaster ever crap youre pulling out of your ass again, it aint gonna happen. don't you think there are failsafes in place in such an event? they were expecting to get nuked every fucking day back in the cold war. the shit didn't hit the fan during 9/11 and the shit sure as fuck isn't gonna hit anything when essensaly the same thing happens on a larger scale.

as for the rest of your post, lay down the crack pipe you fucking nigger

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Well this time it would differ from the cold war in a few ways. 1) the first strike would be much smaller because Al Qaeda doesn't have the same resources as the Soviet Union did 2) The threat of massive retaliation would not be a deterrent and 3) It would be much less expected now than if it happened in the 1950's.

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But what would happen if they hit Cananda(sp)?

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so?
no matter what happens, less then a year later the USA will be fine again as if nothing happend except for the endless goddamn bumper stickers being sold to remind you of it.

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But what would happen if they hit Cananda(sp)?

the world would unite under a common banner of joy and happiness

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What makes you think that the lack of a clear indication of who perpetrated the attack would make us withold military action? I think it has been adequately demonstrated that we are willing to attack people who didn't hit us first.
But baiting aside, it would indeed be devastating, but I think you underestimate the resiliency of both people in general and the American culture in particular. One nuclear strike, even against a major city, wouldn't necessarily result in paralysis and collapse.

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I agree with Tal, a lack of clear indication of responsibility hasn't stopped the US in the slightest, two, count em, two goverments have been knocked off.

Nor do I see where you get the idea that it would become easier for them to carry off more bombings, or make more powerful ones.

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Plum, you're one of those people that worry about things that never happen, aren't you? Like, what if a pet rabbit chews on an electric chord, ends up getting electrocuted, and lights the apartment on fire?

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quote:
Originally posted by Talarohk
I think it has been adequately demonstrated that we are willing to attack people who didn't hit us first.



haha! yes, or at all! like when saudi bin liner attack your towers and you smash iraq! iraq?! haha! this like if Goran make fuck with one girl before i finish, and then i turn around and punch tourist in mouth with some glass bottle! (this actually happen)

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An apposite and succinct analogy of the present situation

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quote:
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What makes you think that the lack of a clear indication of who perpetrated the attack would make us withold military action? .


Well I assume that it would generally be assumed to be the fault of Al Qaeda, and American resources are already overextended in a war supposedly against Al Qaeda. Also, they are not a country with a clear target, unlike the U.S. and unlike the entire Cold War situation. So do you think the Americans would just senselessly and without any foresight, nuke the hell out of the whole Middle East?

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The whole middle east? No, probably just Iran.

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We wouldn't nuke anyone in response. However, we would undoubtedly see direct strikes against every known terrorist training camps, with or wothout the consent of the host nations. At least one Arab government (probaby Syria) would be overthrown, and serious ultimatums would be proffered against Saudi Arabia and Pakistan to end all governmental support for madras schools or face immediate cessation of all aid, military or otherwise.

Essentially, the whole "war on terror" would be ratcheted up several notches, and not necessarily in productive ways.

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An overthrow of Syria's government could work out really bad (although we are already in a 'really bad' hypothetical situation, I guess). Let's hope their government changes a lot slower than that.

I think that the US would use nuclear weapons if it was at all practicable, to make the point. Otherwise, why have so many? MAD doesn't mean anything if everyone knows that you won't use them.

I thought that the main point of the mudrasses was that they fill in the gaps, ie, they do so well because the government doesn't help with education, so the imams pick up the slack.

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I find the idea of a nuke going off, frankly, scary. But I have a horrid feeling that a nuke will go off somewhere in the world in my life time.

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quote:
Originally posted by CHiPsJr
We wouldn't nuke anyone in response. However, we would undoubtedly see direct strikes against every known terrorist training camps, with or wothout the consent of the host nations. At least one Arab government (probaby Syria) would be overthrown, and serious ultimatums would be proffered against Saudi Arabia and Pakistan to end all governmental support for madras schools or face immediate cessation of all aid, military or otherwise.

Essentially, the whole "war on terror" would be ratcheted up several notches, and not necessarily in productive ways.



Don't forget the other half, which would be Patriot Acts 3 and 4, which would probably leave America looking more like Stalinist Russia than anything.

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I sincerely hope Oregon wouldn't be much of a target. trees, sand dunes, loggers in flannel, hippies, yahoos on ATVs (kinda hard to hit when they're moving) ... y'all could come here and ride out the aftermath.

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quote:
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I find the idea of a nuke going off, frankly, scary. But I have a horrid feeling that a nuke will go off somewhere in the world in my life time.


My guess would be that you're right in a technical sense. Provided that by "in my life time" you mean "a few tenths of a second before the end of my life."

Try not to worry too much about it.

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depends where is goes off. But no matter where a nuke goes off it will be devastating

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I find the idea of a nuke going off, frankly, scary. But I have a horrid feeling that a nuke will go off somewhere in the world in my life time.


Unless you're under 12 it already has. If I recall correctly, the last nuclear test was in 1992.

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We probably wouldn't nuke anybody, but the middle east would be put on "double secret probation."

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To take the discussion to the next level, how about a nuclear, disease, hijack AND poison attack?

Man, if I was bin Laden, USA would be a stinking hole in the ground by now. But I'm sure he has good reasons for procrastinating.

That's not meant to be controversial btw.

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Plum, you're one of those people that worry about things that never happen, aren't you? Like, what if a pet rabbit chews on an electric chord, ends up getting electrocuted, and lights the apartment on fire?

Then the apartment fire kills a little boy from smoke inhalation,and the boy never grows up and marries and the kid that boy was supposed to have never invented the dissapearing ray that can wipe out an entire country with one blow,and the world will once again be in turmiol.

BTW,How come we haven't had a good Antrax scare lately?

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