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Mountain wizard versus evil empire



Full understanding of the truth of the court is displayed without fiction. There's a grandiosity but it isn't affectation. Watch as evil spells are turned to ash by the steady glare of righteousness and truth.

Let us all strip down and run free with the animals, and sing to the moon as we attend to bones.

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If we give rich people our money, the problems will be solved. At least that's what I'm told.

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I am the Living Man. There will be no money here today.

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Orly?
http://www.belgrade-news.com/news/a...1a4bcf887a.html

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IGxH3IKedM

not to mention:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/122490811...book-for-Judges

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You are trying to create a fallacious corporate action. I will not click your explicatory link. The living man refuses to be further educated, whither ba context ur ba hallucinatory pixelated lightshow. Get back here.

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... he typed on his computer.

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Although it isn't realistic to allow living man to run around making up his own laws and doing whatever he pleases, there ought to be some room for anarchism and anarchists in modern democratic societies. Anyone who has ever endeavored to live independently of modern society for a while ought to appreciate this. To deny someone the right to forage for his own food is like denying him the right to breathe unfiltered air.

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Although it isn't realistic to allow living man to run around making up his own laws and doing whatever he pleases, there ought to be some room for anarchism and anarchists in modern democratic societies. Anyone who has ever endeavored to live independently of modern society for a while ought to appreciate this. To deny someone the right to forage for his own food is like denying him the right to breathe unfiltered air.


democracy is mob rule, which as an anti-authoritarian (which has now been ruled a mental illness, and if you dont understand the implications of that youre part of the problem) cajun, native american, agnostic and woman is sickening and worrisome. we used to have a republic to protect us, and a constitution we could use to preserve the individual and correct injustices but that is being and has been eroded, now we have a bunch of ideologues forcing their subjective and historically nightmarish values on us via legislature and media and ruling class majority more so than ever in this country.

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I think you're agreeing with me but the difference is that last time I checked you're a Libertarian, whereas I'm an anarchist. Libertarians embrace the power of money and markets; anarchists reject all ideology. In theory it should be possible to have relatively isolated communities of anarchists, libertarians, communists, fascists etc., all under the umbrella of democracy. But like you say, in practice, modern democracies tend to be homogeneic and ultimately oligarchic and plutocratic. We're told that the cost of not becoming such is not being competitive in a global market (which begs the question of how valuable global competitiveness really is, if it demands the sacrifice of so much that makes life worthwhile in the first place).

The Dane prolly knows this better than I- given the sacrifices his and other European countries have had to make, culturally and otherwise.

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I think you're agreeing with me but the difference is that last time I checked you're a Libertarian, whereas I'm an anarchist. Libertarians embrace the power of money and markets; anarchists reject all ideology. In theory it should be possible to have relatively isolated communities of anarchists, libertarians, communists, fascists etc., all under the umbrella of democracy. But like you say, in practice, modern democracies tend to be homogeneic and ultimately oligarchic and plutocratic. We're told that the cost of not becoming such is not being competitive in a global market (which begs the question of how valuable global competitiveness really is, if it demands the sacrifice of so much that makes life worthwhile in the first place).

The Dane prolly knows this better than I- given the sacrifices his and other European countries have had to make, culturally and otherwise.



I am close to an anarchist...just a default of being an anti-authoritarian...a label ive earned through experience and understanding, and a purge of hypocrisies a long shamanistic road lead me to ...a label any minority of any kind should find beauty and safety in and with it in mind fight like their ancestors did...democracy is and has always been our enemy and America is trending against us faster than ever. I do believe in a few laws, and i do believe there is a purpose for government. and you probably wont watch it but here are some hostoric example and visuals you may enjoy more than me typing it out after a few drinks, and a hard day of reminders of why I believe what i do.

too much power in the hands of any human or small group of humans is dangerous, they should be extremely limited. I believe in law, the law of my rights end where yours begin...and the keeper of that law is supposed to be the federal government. now they are just a bunch of ideologues leading the emotional masses crying "democracy" and turning corporations we could have chosen not to do business with in to people we have to do business with by force of the government. obama thinks jail time is a reasonable consequence for being an anti authoritarian in just the small area of not wanting to be involved in a product produces by businesses who are only even in existance because of fear mongering and emotions. insurance salesmen used to be a joke, a fucking punchline, and they have either been good enough salesmen to sell thier product to the government, or the government saw the product as a way to take more control over the economy and the masses. those are the two most meritorious and logical possibilities empowered by the emotions and and ignorance of the people. thats where we are now.

anyway, reasons im not an anarchist, or democrat, or believer in oligarchies in general, no piss of the holy ghost or devils cock for me please..

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I am close to an anarchist...democracy is and has always been our enemy


You consider democracy to be our enemy? And you claim to being almost an anarchist. You may claim that you belong to no party or system, but everyone does, whether they believe it or not. I know you never would be a socialist or communist, so fascist you are then. All anarchy means is overthrowing government which only results in the rule of strength - whoever is strongest makes everyone else do what they want.

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The zone society rears its beautiful head again.

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The Dane prolly knows this better than I- given the sacrifices his and other European countries have had to make, culturally and otherwise.

It was apparently surprisingly easy, although Denmark is not completely secular yet.
Christians should be anarchists.

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You consider democracy to be our enemy? And you claim to being almost an anarchist. You may claim that you belong to no party or system, but everyone does, whether they believe it or not. I know you never would be a socialist or communist, so fascist you are then. All anarchy means is overthrowing government which only results in the rule of strength - whoever is strongest makes everyone else do what they want.

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She's no fascist. From what I gather she's saying the integrity of the Constitution and the rule of law has been compromised by the advent of the unwashed ignorant democratic masses. So if it came down to a choice between mob rule and anarchy, the latter is looking more and more appealing.

I'd put her in the category of Conservative Libertarian: laissez faire markets with very limited but necessary government (as opposed to the Neo-Libertarian Tea Partiers who seem to want no government at any and all costs. Ironically, they have more in common with fascists as unregulated markets have only proven to concentrate power).

Both are far more realistic than the kind of anarchism that I envision- anarchism which would be an end in itself btw, not strictly a means ie. revolution. Sustained anarchy could be possible even today, but it would likely have to be within the envelop of capitalism, such as a private island. An unlimited supply of psychedelic drugs wouldn't be crucial but might be helpful to get things going. It wouldn't have to be anti-technology or anti-society like a commune; I believe in the power of technology to make the state and even markets redundant. It's human leverage and it's zero-sum nature (unlike the open-sum nature of technological leverage) that I have a problem with.

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Shhhhh! You're going to ruin my troll!

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There are three major zones. A democratic one with general rules, where you go to work, a religous one where you worship something and an anarchist one where you do what you want.

Where do you want to live?

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There are three major zones. A democratic one with general rules, where you go to work, a religous one where you worship something and an anarchist one where you do what you want.

Where do you want to live?



if you live in a society you never"do what you want" if it is destructive to those around you, if nothing else the *laws of nature will be in effect.

total anarchy is an impossibility, it eats its self eventually just like your other two examples.

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Well, we can't know, because no one has ever attempted such a society. It just means there are no written laws. I would definitely be religious, but I would probably spend some time in anarchy.

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Well, we can't know, because no one has ever attempted such a society. It just means there are no written laws. I would definitely be religious, but I would probably spend some time in anarchy.


i will tell you i lived in guatemala,there was no government (in our location) leave the one the village /embracedmade for its self. some of my best childhood memories are there, but they were governed by superstition and circumstance.

so take from that what youd like.

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I like it. There would most likely be groups forming in anarchist zones, with internal rules.

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I like it. There would most likely be groups forming in anarchist zones, with internal rules.


well, thats not too far removed from what the founding fathers of this country had in mind. in the least they gave us the tools to make it happen while preserving the individual. any short comings of the era and tyranny of the masses could be corrected using the basis. we seem to have peaked a while ago however, and ben franklin was a prophet...sadly.

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Too bad it had to invove colonies. I seem to remember a constitution that was supposed to be pretty awesome.

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Too bad it had to invove colonies.


Im not sure what you mean.

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Does "Thirteen Colonies" ring a bell?

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Does "Thirteen Colonies" ring a bell?


sure, and being a product of heresy and seemingly having it either genetically or by means of experience ingrained (or im just a fucking heritic, im sorry, proud heretic) i might think i know where youre coming from, but i wont pretend to. humility, i have it.

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