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Should the minimum voting age be reduced to 16?

When the minimum voting age was reduced to 18, I recall the primary justification being that if 18 year olds could be compelled to fight for our Country, then they should have the right to vote.

I am not in favor of it.

Amen.

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Of course not. 16 year olds are children.

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The minimum voting age should be raised to at least 25, preferably 30. Anyone younger is too fucking stupid to vote.

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Anyone over 65, it's not their future anymore.

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Anyone over 65, it's not their future anymore.

Under your rationale, terminally ill citizens who are otherwise eligible to vote, should have that right forfeited. Yes?

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Sure.

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And whats your position on lowering the age to 16?

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Only if the age of consent is lowered as well. And the drinking age. If you're going to vote for the Puppet in Chief, you might as well be recognized as a fully realized adult.

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I don't care one way or another. The end of the Union has begun. This country no longer belongs to the people.

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Anyone over 65, it's not their future anymore.


Not with the advances being made in medicine, but you make a fair point. However, their memory of the past has value in guiding the future. Most 16-year-olds add nothing but ignorance to the world.

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Remembering the past does not prevent one from repeating it. What constitutes the good old days for one person, could be the worst of times for another.

Perhaps a sliding scale that weights a vote based on the voter's age. Say it starts at .33 at the earliest voting age, and increases linearly to 1.00 from 45 to 65, then diminishes over time by a factor of .973 per year. That would put them back to about .33 by the age of 105 to 110. 0.33 would be the minimum.

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Couple that with term limits for congressmen, and you're onto something.

Execute lobbyists, and you just might MAGA.

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...Casuistry might insist that it only proposed to fix the minimum of a minimum, and beg them for their souls sake to aim a little higher. Human nature seldom resists the charms of a fixed standardleast of all when it is applied by a live judge in a visible court. ... EB1911 - Volume 05 djvu/504.

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should it be? yes. will it be? no.

old people bitch about the youth not participating or caring about how things are run locally to nationally. so why not do the bare minimum thing to get them engaged and give them a seat at the table.

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should it be? yes. will it be? no.

old people bitch about the youth not participating or caring about how things are run locally to nationally. so why not do the bare minimum thing to get them engaged and give them a seat at the table.


Interesting, SP. Although I disagree, I confess to a present bit of difficulty constructing a persuasive counter.

When I was a child, I was astonished that the minimum voting age had been 21, rather than 18. Surely the right to vote should go hand-in-hand with being old enough to fight and die for your country?

Somewhere along the way, I got older. A lot older. Looking back as those years flew by, I cant tell you exactly when my opinion changed, but it did. As I sit here today, I think 18 is too young, much less 16.

But, I have an open mind. Here are some questions for you, or anyone else, for that matter:

1). Is 16 as low as you think the minimum voting age should be? If so, why stop at 16 instead of, say, 14 or 11? If not, how low would you propose and why?

2). The minimum age to be President of The USA is 35. Should it be lower? If so, how low and why? Should there even be a minimum age to be President?

Amen.

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But, I have an open mind. Here are some questions for you, or anyone else, for that matter:

1). Is 16 as low as you think the minimum voting age should be? If so, why stop at 16 instead of, say, 14 or 11? If not, how low would you propose and why?

2). The minimum age to be President of The USA is 35. Should it be lower? If so, how low and why? Should there even be a minimum age to be President?

Amen.




1. I'd say 21 is about right. Any younger and most people's critical faculties haven't developed. To be fair though, most people's never do.

2. Again, that's probably about right, even though it sounds a bit young.


And while these are two interesting political topics, I'd say a far more effective way to improve the federal government would be to:

a. Limit congressional terms to 4,
b. Make lobbying a felony, and
c. Eliminate private funding for Presidential campaigns

Basically, take as much money out of politics as possible, and get rid of as much of the old boys network as you can.

I know this isn't perfect, but corporations and billionaires own the system. They do not care about the rest of humanity.

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Anyone over 65, it's not their future anymore.

Actually, thats essentially casuistry. Otherwise, the right to vote would be determined by actuarial tables. IMHO, try as they may to deny it, the young really need the old.

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Well, to be fair, the old need the young as well. Especially those reliant upon social programs for the aged. The problem is that the old dont have to live as long with the world they make.

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Well, to be fair, the old need the young as well. Especially those reliant upon social programs for the aged. The problem is that the old dont have to live as long with the world they make.

I never said nor implied that the elderly do not need the young. Generally speaking, they do. But, try as I might, I fail to see any bearing that has upon what you posited.

As for the problem, I dont see that as a problem. Rather, the shorter average remaining life-span is just a general assumption when viewed through an actuarial lense.

How many wise teenagers do you know?

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I never said nor implied that the elderly do not need the young.



And I never said you did.

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Generally speaking, they do. But, try as I might, I fail to see any bearing that has upon what you posited.


Specifically which part? I just want to know what to respond to.

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As for the problem, I dont see that as a problem. Rather, the shorter average remaining life-span is just a general assumption when viewed through an actuarial lense.

How many wise teenagers do you know?

Amen.




While it is certainly true that teenagers are generally unwise due to inexperience, old folks aren't known for progressive social attitudes.

I am in agreement that 18 is about as young as the voting age should go.

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And I never said you did.

Good. 👍🏻

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Originally posted by fubar Specifically which part? I just want to know what to respond to.

That the right to vote should expire on a persons 66th birthday.

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Originally posted by fubar ... old folks aren't known for progressive social attitudes.

I suspect the relative wealth of wisdom many people tend to acquire with age may have something to do with that. To be clear, however, thats not to say that the elderly reject progressive social attitudes. But, is that perception another reason why you would disenfranchise the elderly (people over 65) from voting?

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Originally posted by fubar I am in agreement that 18 is about as young as the voting age should go.

I certainly agree. I also think higher than 21 would be even better. Of course, the chances of ever reeling it back from 18 are less than slim-to-none, IMHO.

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Perhaps a sliding scale that weights a vote based on the voter's age. Say it starts at .33 at the earliest voting age, and increases linearly to 1.00 from 45 to 65, then diminishes over time by a factor of .973 per year. That would put them back to about .33 by the age of 105 to 110. 0.33 would be the minimum.

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Remembering the past does not prevent one from repeating it. What constitutes the good old days for one person, could be the worst of times for another.

Perhaps a sliding scale that weights a vote based on the voter's age. Say it starts at .33 at the earliest voting age, and increases linearly to 1.00 from 45 to 65, then diminishes over time by a factor of .973 per year. That would put them back to about .33 by the age of 105 to 110. 0.33 would be the minimum.



How about a civics test? Pass that and you can vote. If you're too ignorant to pass it, then you shouldn't be voting.

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How about a civics test? Pass that and you can vote. If you're too ignorant to pass it, then you shouldn't be voting.

The idea sounds sensible at first, but it doesnt take long for the flavor to disappear once you start moving it around your mouth. For example, there are many smart people who choke on tests. Then, choosing the actual questions would likely be a trigger for the outrage professionals.

The one thing intriguing about testing is it could thin insincere voters from the herd.

Amen.

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Fat people should not be voting. There's just not enough money now to build bigger booths!

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