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Muffy
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*sigh* I left that one wide open for you, Troll, and the best you give me is "highly amusing".

Sure, claim you're just entertaining yourself with our gullibility. However, your argument would be more persuasive if you applied some critical thinking and analytical reasoning to it, unless you think that premising your claims with things like "I owe each and every one of you absolutely nothing" will lead to a valid argument with a sound conclusion. To me it just sounds like "the moon is round, so is my anus, therefore, broccoli".


101:

If A, then B.

A.

Therefore B.


That's all there is to it. Even an old fool can rise to that challenge.

Or you could just concede that you got in over your head, backtracked, tried to ameliorate your position, took the hard exit at a right angle, and made your own position redundant.

Your role in this thread has been that of the sceptic, but you didn't take that role to try and provoke the scientist to provide evidence (although much was willingly provided), you took it to try and promote your own conclusion which doesn't appear to be very well researched due to the lack of structure - ironically, this makes your argument suck, even if some of the premises are correct.


101 part 2:

For your argument to be sound, the premises must be correct, the form must be valid, and the conclusion must follow the premises.


So:

All green things are boogers.
Brussel sprouts are green.
Therefore, Brussel sprouts are boogers.

This is a valid argument because of the form. However, it is not a sound argument because one of the premises is incorrect.

Some vegetables are green.
Brussel sprouts are green.
Therefore, Brussel sprouts are the green spawn of satan.

This is also a valid argument because of the form. However, it is not a sound argument because the conclusion doesn't follow the premises.

If it's green, then it's a vegetable.
Carrots are not green.
Therefore, carrots are not a vegetable.

This is not a valid argument due to the form. A premise is false. As such, while the conclusion follows the premises, it is not sound.


"You are very impressed with yourselves, gullible and I owe you nothing.
People who aren't indebted to gullible losers aren't required to justify their arguments.
Therefore, have fun"

... Do you see the problems?

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...Then again, I'm not the one claiming to have the answer...


qf facepalms

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Lol.

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Succinct. Compelling. Sincere. Not full of gaping holes. Probably your best argument yet.

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[megaphone]LEE-E-E-E-E-E-E-ROY JENKINS![/megaphone]

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In the meantime, buy your electric cars if it makes you feel better, but remember that most electricity is still generated by burning fossil fuels, coal in particular. So, that Tesla is actually coal-fired. Funny how that works.


You've been saying this for years, and while it has some truth, you overstate the role of coal.

quote:
According to the US Energy Information Administration (EIA), in 2017, the United States generated about 4,015 billion kilowatt-hours of electricity at utility-scale facilities. About 62.7% of the electricity generated was from fossil fuel (coal, natural gas, and petroleum), with 30.1% attributed from coal.

See a complete breakdown of all energy sources from the US EIA.

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Lol.

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There's some interesting data being collected by Boaty McBoatface. That made me giggle as, if TT asks for a source and you cite "Boaty McBoatface", it really doesn't help with making it sound credible

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There's some interesting data being collected by Boaty McBoatface. That made me giggle as, if TT asks for a source and you cite "Boaty McBoatface", it really doesn't help with making it sound credible


And as I'm sure we'll find out soon, it doesn't hurt either.

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Hey, Muffalina. Donít forget that Boaty McBoatface is just some fuckiní guy:



Donít forget that Iím an older man, so you can trust what I say. 😎

And much obliged, phorbenia.

Amen.

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Hey, Muffalina. Donít forget that Boaty McBoatface is just some fuckiní guy:


Don't you mean just some fuckin' boat? Or, autonomous underwater vehicle, to be more precise. Or is your point that the data isn't that interesting and it's all bullshit anyway?

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