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philjit
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quote:
Originally posted by Smug Git
I tend to object when things like this are used to apply moral worth to animals.


hey I was not applying moral worth on the basis of self-awareness. I was just pointing out that I don't consider a dog to be sophistictaed cognitively to the point that it can be a racist on the basis of self-awareness testing. I didn't place a moral value on that, I love dogs, I love cats, shit I own four of the latter, and just after I posted I went a picked one up and started talking to him. He gave me a very blank look. (this is normal for him hes a bit slow)

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skalie
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quote:
Originally posted by Phil
He gave me a very blank look. (this is normal for him hes a bit slow)


Cat probably said the same thing.

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philjit
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quote:
Originally posted by skalie
Cat probably said the same thing.


probably.

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flocat
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what if a midget got bitten? they're about the same size. say you train the dogs not to bite people of a certain size and all but you're going after one mad and mean midget. you need the dog to help you but what do you do?

as for the dog...i have this thing against german shepards. i've been bitten twice by dogs and both times it was a german shepard that did it. bastard dogs. one bit my leg while i was walking down the street. it had gone after some boys who ran my way and before i knew what was going on, the bitch clamped down on me. she wouldn't let go and i had to keep punching her in the head until she finally did. she didn't get put down and i realise that she was only doing what instincts told her to do. i would've like to have those boys who were running away (i later found out that they were trying to break into the owner's home) put down. the other time was my ex's dog. we were playing and then he just lunged for my face. he barely nicked me but they sold him to a rancher shortly thereafter because they realised that he would probably be better off there and they were having problems with him acting like this (there was also the fact that they worried for her 6 year old niece who was living there at the time).

So, i look at my experiences and turn it onto this. i, like smug, don't think the dog should be a police dog anymore but that it shouldn't be destroyed. that race thing is just plain stupid, in my opinion. i think it was a freak accident and you all know that i'm not buying any tickets to the policemen's ball. but then again, what do i know? i'm just a dirty mexican who hates the man and loves dogs.

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skalie
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Just for the record, if a dog "clamps down" on something, your leg, another dog, local shoe-shine boy.....

Lift it's back legs of the ground, eventually it will become exhausted and let go.

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shyloh
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quote:
Originally posted by JoeyCat
It's not unheard of that parents smoke pot around their kids, regardles of color.


Cops' fault.

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BnB
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quote:
Originally posted by JoeyCat
It's not unheard of that parents smoke pot around their kids, regardles of color.


Thanks for pointing that out shyloh.

Let me make it abundantly clear.

I only smoke green pot.

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Trollstoy
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Mugtoe,
If done correctly that is a good idea in my book, lawyers or not.

BnB,
Yes and no. Offers to settle can not be used against someone in court. So say if MugDaCop walks up to hurt kid and says: "I’ll give ya 20 large to settle." That cannot be used against him, ‘cause the court does not want to discourage settlements. But if he says: "I’m sorry I let the dog go I really fucked up I’m a stooopid shit, my fault... I’ll give ya 20 large to settle." Then the admission can not be severed from the settlement and this hersay will come in under the admission of a party opponent exception to the hersay rule.

Follow?

shyloh,
First, unless you think cops are stoopid you don’t think they will have a system where ANYTIME they are in hand to hand conflict with a perp a dog might easily get out and bite you. You might think a gun might go off or a hostage might be taken, but not usually dog attack on an innocent bystander. This means there is no foreseeability for the actual injury. When there is no foreseeability the chain of causation is broken so there can be no contributory negligence on the part of the kid. No contrib= no fault on the part of the kid.
So there was no foreseeable danger of dog bite so it is not the kids fault.

Second, I did this already. Look back to the post with the football analogy.

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For those who think that a dog or any animal is incapable of racism, I offer you this irrefutable evidence...a picture taken shortly before the incident occured by a passerby.

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skalie
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Just wondering, and a question directed to those who believe that this dog should be allowed to live.

Should this dog be allowed to roam the streets freely or should it stay for the rest of it's life on a leash or locked up in a van?

Just curious.

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shyloh
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You might think a gun might go off or a hostage might be taken

Exactly. If you were a parent, and there was a situation happening nearby in which there was even a slight chance that there can be shooting or struggle, wouldn't you keep your child the hell away from that area?

So there was no foreseeable danger of dog bite so it is not the kids fault.
I haven't blamed the kid at all.

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Trollstoy
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I think what a kid would learn from watching a good clean arrest would outweigh the >1% of the time when an IB gets hurt, but if it looked iffy from the outset I would get my kid out of there.

My bad about the kid's fault thing, the quote of mine you culled related to the kid's liability.

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The kid should be shot with a silver bullet.
Otherwise when the moon gets full...

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Dingle
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quote:
Originally posted by Trollstoy
I think what a kid would learn from watching a good clean arrest would outweigh the >1% of the time when an IB gets hurt, but if it looked iffy from the outset I would get my kid out of there.

My bad about the kid's fault thing, the quote of mine you culled related to the kid's liability.



i happen to agree with that... and while some people here are trying to blame the kids or the kids parents or the cops or the dog, i dont think ANY of them are to blame. wanna blame someone? blame the fuckhead who was getting arrested.

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J E B Stuart
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quote:
Originally posted by Dingle
the skin color is rarely relevant, yet the people who should most want to rid the world of color boundaries time and time again are the ones shoving their race down everyones throats. ...

And to think, Dingle, that all I was doing was searching for a thread to bump some HB wishes to357magnum-FuhQall. Well, birthday cake it is. 🎂🎂

Amen.

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