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We have learned way more than that. Among other things not to get too extreme with the principles.

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"Moderation in all things. Including moderation."

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I don't support that philosophy. Excessive moderation easily becomes excessive mediocrity, banality, bloodlessness. When I say Hitler can teach us something about principles, I don't mean we should return to an age of barbarism. Cultivating and defending principles, even ones that are extreme, doesn't necessarily involve violence and killing.

Perhaps the 'sacrifice' part does, however- principles that are so lofty that they require the sacrifice of not just toil but blood also. Yet for some people life is principles. Take away the principles, you take away the life.

Then comes bravery. Say what you want about the man- that his moral compass was askew- of which I'll agree- but he was no coward.

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Dude didn't even kill anyone. With all that hate, only cowardice can explain that.

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He died cowering in a hole in the ground, lacking even the courage to face the consequences of the bloody schemes he precipitated. He quite clearly was a coward.

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Bad example. I think most historians would agree that, given the options available to him at that time, the decision to stay in Berlin to the bitter end was brave. He had ample opportunity to flee to the country- he could even have staged his own death then gone into hiding.

You could argue that his most cowardly act was during the Putsch, but when anyone is being shot at, instinct takes over. None of the people who took part that day called him a coward.

Few men have been more scrutinized than he, and even then his track record has held up amazingly well, especially when seen in the context of the time. Extremely ideological, sure, but not cowardly, not necessarily insane, not even evil. Evil people just want to sadistically inflict pain and death; for Hitler this was always only a means to an end, which, to him, was a justified greater good.

There is evidence to support that Stalin planned to invade Europe in the 1930s. If you accept this, then almost everything Hitler did was justified. To protect Germany he had to strike pre-emptively...to do this, he had to secure his flanks one by one: first the Rhineland, then Poland, then France. He had to make Germany a global superpower to halt communist imperialism. From '41 to '44, Germany did more for America than any other country did before or since. Communist Russia didn't fall in '91 because of its internal ideological shortcomings so much as the fact that it never recovered from its wounds from the Second World War. Hitler won you your Cold War, before it even started- he's the one that made possible the American imperialism that we have today (the American imperialism that we all must endure today).

It also turns out that a disproportionate amount of Russian Communist party members were Jews...

In a sense that's all beside the point- it's really a matter of young vs. old. The old baby boomers who feel they are righteous in doing anything and everything that Hitler would have hated are destroying the planet and half its animal and plant species....doing and encouraging anything that is easy and fun....because acting responsibly with principles is hard...and something Hitler would have done.

Young people (the kind that support Bernie Sanders) understand that that selfish rapacious Ayn Randian mentality can't continue indefinitely into the future, that the future will have to be one were hard choices are made, with principles and responsibility...

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I like how you seem sure about all this, or give him the benefit of the doubt. It's a brave endeavour!

Where do you stand on holocaust denial?

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It also turns out that a disproportionate amount of Russian Communist party members were Jews...


What are you saying here? That it was good killing jews because they were communists?

And disproportionate how? Jewish communists are no secret in the local history writing.

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It explains a lot of the European anti-semitism at the time, don't you think?

I'm making the case that it was justified- and you have yet to imply that it wasn't....

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I appreciate that you're willing to listen to me on occasion, but I shouldn't have to account for your slowness, Coin.

Yes, part of why Hitler had to invade Russia was because one/ third of those Russian degenerates were Jews!

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Indeed, it's more your moral judgment I want.

There is a strange overlap between justification of being anti-semite and anti-communist.
"It was ok to kill communists because many were jews, or vice versa."
This seems like a moral victory for communism.

Jews are used as a common enemy because they are a minority and not christian (or muslim). Do you think they objectively are detrimental to society?

And don't be so condescending, like you are making an obvious and common point. Trust me, you aren't.

Where do you stand on holocaust denial?

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UBI is a freight train heading towards our reality. The sooner we prepare for it, the better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJgtRBkFnfw

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Basic universal income would be a necessity when automation takes over the majority of all jobs.
I don't see anything wrong with a Star Trek society.
I see nothing wrong with the freedom to actually live.
Yes there will be complications to this like what to do with like landlords.
Well they make over what they are allotted.
Capitalism can still thrive.
We just won't have anyone living on the streets.
I don't ever see automation taking over my job.
So I would be in that category of making over what's allotted to me.

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...I don't see anything wrong with a Star Trek society. ...


"Hi guy! Gimme my ewe be eye or die!"


Amen.

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Someone is going to invent a food replicator like what they have in Star Trek.
That will be the start of a no money economy.
Or the 1% will do whatever it takes to destroy it.

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UBI is a freight train heading towards our reality. The sooner we prepare for it, the better.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...rberg-says.html

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Never going to happen in this century. In the distant future perhaps, but no time soon. I think euthanasia is a far more likely scenario because it's less costly.

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I would have to agree. When we have an overpopulation of deer we thin the heard.
The Purge is coming.

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Oh man, together we have about 130.000 posts.

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Yea.

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r/theydidthemath

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In what way is Donald Trump Racist?


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